From syberghost at gmail.com  Sat Aug  2 12:41:14 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:41:14 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Vi question
In-Reply-To: <alpine.GSO.1.10.0807301501520.3090@nyx3.nyx.net>
References: <alpine.GSO.1.10.0807301501520.3090@nyx3.nyx.net>
Message-ID: <1217695274.10362.4.camel@qward>

On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 15:04 -0500, John Mayson wrote:
> My mom sent me an email that when viewed in Alpine had a bunch of funky 
> characters throughout the email.  I ^_'ed into vi and saw I had \302\240 
> (I think).  I wanted to do a global search and replace to get rid of them, 
> but I couldn't figure out the keys to do it.  Each one behaved like a 
> single character (my cursor would jump from \ to \).
> 
> I ended up going to the top of the document and running the tr -d command, 
> but I am curious how to search for those octal (?) escape sequences 
> directly in vi.

ctrl-v, then a lowercase "u", then the number, then ESC, I believe; at
least in vim.

Those look like Unicode.


From john at mayson.us  Sat Aug  2 14:50:35 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:50:35 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Vi question
In-Reply-To: <1217695274.10362.4.camel@qward>
References: <alpine.GSO.1.10.0807301501520.3090@nyx3.nyx.net>
	<1217695274.10362.4.camel@qward>
Message-ID: <6645152a0808021150n7823fd35ref388537c3b194fe@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 15:04 -0500, John Mayson wrote:
>> My mom sent me an email that when viewed in Alpine had a bunch of funky
>> characters throughout the email.  I ^_'ed into vi and saw I had \302\240
>> (I think).  I wanted to do a global search and replace to get rid of them,
>> but I couldn't figure out the keys to do it.  Each one behaved like a
>> single character (my cursor would jump from \ to \).
>>
>> I ended up going to the top of the document and running the tr -d command,
>> but I am curious how to search for those octal (?) escape sequences
>> directly in vi.
>
> ctrl-v, then a lowercase "u", then the number, then ESC, I believe; at
> least in vim.
>
> Those look like Unicode.

Thanks.  I'll give that a shot next time.  Unix's tr worked just fine,
but I want to know how to do it purely in vi.  :-)

John

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From cfg at davehudson.net  Mon Aug  4 22:01:48 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:01:48 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
Message-ID: <001701c8f69f$39324d50$ab96e7f0$@net>

I just signed up, so there are 10 left ?

 

I signed up about 6 months ago for the Beta!

 

First come first serve ?

 

 

From: Dropbox [mailto:beta at getdropbox.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 5:33 PM
To: dave at davehudson.net
Subject: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation

 




 <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/l/478506/6i7trdrd/r>  <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/l/478506/6i7trdrd/r> Dropbox - Backup, sync and sharing made easy. <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/l/478506/6i7trdrd/r> 

 


Welcome aboard

We're excited to let you know you've been selected for the Dropbox Beta. Thanks for your patience (it's been a long wait!)

We'd love for you to try it out -- just <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/l/478506/6i7trdrd/y>  click this link to get started. 

Your beta signup code is: 9911fa5

What is Dropbox?

Dropbox is a desktop application (for Windows and Mac OS X) and storage service that just works. It's the easiest way to share and store files online and keep files in sync across your computers (quick video demo <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/l/478506/6i7trdrd/6>  here).

 

Share the love 

 

The beta is still invite-only, but we're no longer keeping the details under wraps -- and you're welcome to invite up to 10 friends to shared folders (they'll be able to download Dropbox too.)

 

You're also welcome (and encouraged!) to blog about your impressions, post screenshots and discuss Dropbox wherever you'd like.


Thank you

Your thoughts are always welcome. You can reach us by visiting the the beta forums after signing up or by email at beta at getdropbox.com.

Enjoy!

 

The Dropbox Team 

This message was sent to dave at davehudson.net as a result of signing up at  <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/l/478506/6i7trdrd/4> www.getdropbox.com.  <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/u/478506/6i7trdrd/> Unsubscribe here 

  <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/o/478506/6i7trdrd/o.gif> 

 

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From apratts at comcast.net  Mon Aug  4 22:21:35 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:21:35 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
In-Reply-To: <001701c8f69f$39324d50$ab96e7f0$@net>
References: <001701c8f69f$39324d50$ab96e7f0$@net>
Message-ID: <8F00D4F5-0597-4BCD-A4F6-D20BE2813E3E@comcast.net>

Send me one...LOL

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:01 PM, Dave Hudson wrote:

> I just signed up, so there are 10 left ?
>
> I signed up about 6 months ago for the Beta!
>
> First come first serve ?
>
>
> From: Dropbox [mailto:beta at getdropbox.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 5:33 PM
> To: dave at davehudson.net
> Subject: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
>
>
> Welcome aboard
>
> We're excited to let you know you've been selected for the Dropbox  
> Beta. Thanks for your patience (it's been a long wait!)
>
> We'd love for you to try it out -- just click this link to get  
> started.
>
> Your beta signup code is: 9911fa5
>
> What is Dropbox?
> Dropbox is a desktop application (for Windows and Mac OS X) and  
> storage service that just works. It's the easiest way to share and  
> store files online and keep files in sync across your computers  
> (quick video demo here).
>
> Share the love
>
> The beta is still invite-only, but we're no longer keeping the  
> details under wraps -- and you're welcome to invite up to 10 friends  
> to shared folders (they'll be able to download Dropbox too.)
>
> You're also welcome (and encouraged!) to blog about your  
> impressions, post screenshots and discuss Dropbox wherever you'd like.
>
> Thank you
>
> Your thoughts are always welcome. You can reach us by visiting the  
> the beta forums after signing up or by email at beta at getdropbox.com.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> The Dropbox Team
>
> This message was sent to dave at davehudson.net as a result of signing  
> up at www.getdropbox.com. Unsubscribe here
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From cfg at davehudson.net  Mon Aug  4 22:31:28 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:31:28 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
In-Reply-To: <8F00D4F5-0597-4BCD-A4F6-D20BE2813E3E@comcast.net>
References: <001701c8f69f$39324d50$ab96e7f0$@net>
	<8F00D4F5-0597-4BCD-A4F6-D20BE2813E3E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002801c8f6a3$5df57a50$19e06ef0$@net>

I just did J  That was the point of the whole email.  Just use the link and beta code below in the email.

 

http://getdropbox.com

 

beta code:  9911fa5

 

or just go here:  http://dropbox.cmail3.com/l/478506/6i7trdrd/y

 

From: Albert Pratts [mailto:apratts at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:22 PM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation

 

Send me one...LOL

 

Albert Pratts

Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA

 





 

On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:01 PM, Dave Hudson wrote:





I just signed up, so there are 10 left ?

 

I signed up about 6 months ago for the Beta!

 

First come first serve ?

 

 

From: Dropbox [mailto:beta at getdropbox.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 5:33 PM
To: dave at davehudson.net
Subject: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation

 




 <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/l/478506/6i7trdrd/r>  <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/l/478506/6i7trdrd/r> Dropbox - Backup, sync and sharing made easy. <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/l/478506/6i7trdrd/r> 

 


Welcome aboard

We're excited to let you know you've been selected for the Dropbox Beta. Thanks for your patience (it's been a long wait!)

We'd love for you to try it out -- just <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/l/478506/6i7trdrd/y>  click this link to get started.

Your beta signup code is: 9911fa5

What is Dropbox?

Dropbox is a desktop application (for Windows and Mac OS X) and storage service that just works. It's the easiest way to share and store files online and keep files in sync across your computers (quick video demo <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/l/478506/6i7trdrd/6>  here).

 

Share the love

 

The beta is still invite-only, but we're no longer keeping the details under wraps -- and you're welcome to invite up to 10 friends to shared folders (they'll be able to download Dropbox too.)

 

You're also welcome (and encouraged!) to blog about your impressions, post screenshots and discuss Dropbox wherever you'd like.


Thank you

Your thoughts are always welcome. You can reach us by visiting the the beta forums after signing up or by email at beta at getdropbox.com.

Enjoy!

 

The Dropbox Team 

This message was sent to dave at davehudson.net as a result of signing up at  <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/l/478506/6i7trdrd/4> www.getdropbox.com.  <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/u/478506/6i7trdrd/> Unsubscribe here

  <http://dropbox.cmail3.com/o/478506/6i7trdrd/o.gif> 

 

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From apratts at comcast.net  Mon Aug  4 22:57:35 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:57:35 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
In-Reply-To: <002801c8f6a3$5df57a50$19e06ef0$@net>
References: <001701c8f69f$39324d50$ab96e7f0$@net>
	<8F00D4F5-0597-4BCD-A4F6-D20BE2813E3E@comcast.net>
	<002801c8f6a3$5df57a50$19e06ef0$@net>
Message-ID: <CF4B7330-476D-4948-A4A9-76F36FA1EBE9@comcast.net>

not working....

Sorry, that beta code has expired. Sign up for the beta below!

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Dave Hudson wrote:

> I just did J  That was the point of the whole email.  Just use the  
> link and beta code below in the email.
>
> http://getdropbox.com
>
> beta code:  9911fa5
>
> or just go here:  http://dropbox.cmail3.com/l/478506/6i7trdrd/y
>
> From: Albert Pratts [mailto:apratts at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:22 PM
> To: Central Florida Geeks
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
>
> Send me one...LOL
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:01 PM, Dave Hudson wrote:
>
>
> I just signed up, so there are 10 left ?
>
> I signed up about 6 months ago for the Beta!
>
> First come first serve ?
>
>
> From: Dropbox [mailto:beta at getdropbox.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 5:33 PM
> To: dave at davehudson.net
> Subject: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
>
>
> Welcome aboard
>
> We're excited to let you know you've been selected for the Dropbox  
> Beta. Thanks for your patience (it's been a long wait!)
>
> We'd love for you to try it out -- just click this link to get  
> started.
>
> Your beta signup code is: 9911fa5
>
> What is Dropbox?
> Dropbox is a desktop application (for Windows and Mac OS X) and  
> storage service that just works. It's the easiest way to share and  
> store files online and keep files in sync across your computers  
> (quick video demo here).
>
> Share the love
>
> The beta is still invite-only, but we're no longer keeping the  
> details under wraps -- and you're welcome to invite up to 10 friends  
> to shared folders (they'll be able to download Dropbox too.)
>
> You're also welcome (and encouraged!) to blog about your  
> impressions, post screenshots and discuss Dropbox wherever you'd like.
>
> Thank you
>
> Your thoughts are always welcome. You can reach us by visiting the  
> the beta forums after signing up or by email at beta at getdropbox.com.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> The Dropbox Team
>
> This message was sent to dave at davehudson.net as a result of signing  
> up at www.getdropbox.com. Unsubscribe here
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
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From john at mayson.us  Mon Aug  4 23:00:19 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 22:00:19 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
In-Reply-To: <002801c8f6a3$5df57a50$19e06ef0$@net>
References: <001701c8f69f$39324d50$ab96e7f0$@net>
	<8F00D4F5-0597-4BCD-A4F6-D20BE2813E3E@comcast.net>
	<002801c8f6a3$5df57a50$19e06ef0$@net>
Message-ID: <6645152a0808042000w44af84cdp1416ed8dd715d4c2@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net> wrote:
> I just did J  That was the point of the whole email.  Just use the link and
> beta code below in the email.

I saw that but thought it was YOUR invitation.  Thanks.

John

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Mon Aug  4 23:10:13 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:10:13 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] And it looks like the smoke would come out fo the barrel
	too...
Message-ID: <6FD0E2B6-8D92-4981-986C-1BC168BDADB6@cfl.rr.com>

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,173140.0.html



From cfg at davehudson.net  Tue Aug  5 00:05:39 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:05:39 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0808042000w44af84cdp1416ed8dd715d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001701c8f69f$39324d50$ab96e7f0$@net>	<8F00D4F5-0597-4BCD-A4F6-D20BE2813E3E@comcast.net>	<002801c8f6a3$5df57a50$19e06ef0$@net>
	<6645152a0808042000w44af84cdp1416ed8dd715d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c8f6b0$862a3850$927ea8f0$@net>

Hmmm.... I just noticed it said " The beta is still invite-only, but we're
no longer keeping the details under wraps -- and you're welcome to invite up
to 10 friends to shared folders (they'll be able to download Dropbox too.)"

Albert said the code was "expired" - let me see what I have to do to get you
guys in.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: John Mayson [mailto:john at mayson.us] 
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:00 PM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net> wrote:
> I just did J  That was the point of the whole email.  Just use the link
and
> beta code below in the email.

I saw that but thought it was YOUR invitation.  Thanks.

John

-- 
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Austin, Texas, USA
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From cfg at davehudson.net  Tue Aug  5 00:07:51 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:07:51 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
In-Reply-To: <003f01c8f6b0$862a3850$927ea8f0$@net>
References: <001701c8f69f$39324d50$ab96e7f0$@net>	<8F00D4F5-0597-4BCD-A4F6-D20BE2813E3E@comcast.net>	<002801c8f6a3$5df57a50$19e06ef0$@net>	<6645152a0808042000w44af84cdp1416ed8dd715d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<003f01c8f6b0$862a3850$927ea8f0$@net>
Message-ID: <004001c8f6b0$d4c95360$7e5bfa20$@net>

Looks like I have to share it out to you.  Means I would have access to your
files (though I wouldn't be poking around in there).

I just need an email address you want to use.

Lemme know.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Hudson [mailto:cfg at davehudson.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:06 AM
To: 'Central Florida Geeks'
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation

Hmmm.... I just noticed it said " The beta is still invite-only, but we're
no longer keeping the details under wraps -- and you're welcome to invite up
to 10 friends to shared folders (they'll be able to download Dropbox too.)"

Albert said the code was "expired" - let me see what I have to do to get you
guys in.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: John Mayson [mailto:john at mayson.us] 
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:00 PM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net> wrote:
> I just did J  That was the point of the whole email.  Just use the link
and
> beta code below in the email.

I saw that but thought it was YOUR invitation.  Thanks.

John

-- 
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Austin, Texas, USA
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From cfg at davehudson.net  Tue Aug  5 00:09:07 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:09:07 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
In-Reply-To: <004001c8f6b0$d4c95360$7e5bfa20$@net>
References: <001701c8f69f$39324d50$ab96e7f0$@net>	<8F00D4F5-0597-4BCD-A4F6-D20BE2813E3E@comcast.net>	<002801c8f6a3$5df57a50$19e06ef0$@net>	<6645152a0808042000w44af84cdp1416ed8dd715d4c2@mail.gmail.com>	<003f01c8f6b0$862a3850$927ea8f0$@net>
	<004001c8f6b0$d4c95360$7e5bfa20$@net>
Message-ID: <004101c8f6b1$020cb290$062617b0$@net>

Oh - wait - looks like there's an invite section :-)   Means you get your
own account.

Lemme know what email addy you want me to send the invite to and I'll send
you one.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Hudson [mailto:cfg at davehudson.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:08 AM
To: 'Central Florida Geeks'
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation

Looks like I have to share it out to you.  Means I would have access to your
files (though I wouldn't be poking around in there).

I just need an email address you want to use.

Lemme know.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Hudson [mailto:cfg at davehudson.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:06 AM
To: 'Central Florida Geeks'
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation

Hmmm.... I just noticed it said " The beta is still invite-only, but we're
no longer keeping the details under wraps -- and you're welcome to invite up
to 10 friends to shared folders (they'll be able to download Dropbox too.)"

Albert said the code was "expired" - let me see what I have to do to get you
guys in.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: John Mayson [mailto:john at mayson.us] 
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:00 PM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net> wrote:
> I just did J  That was the point of the whole email.  Just use the link
and
> beta code below in the email.

I saw that but thought it was YOUR invitation.  Thanks.

John

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA
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From john at mayson.us  Tue Aug  5 00:09:29 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:09:29 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
In-Reply-To: <003f01c8f6b0$862a3850$927ea8f0$@net>
References: <001701c8f69f$39324d50$ab96e7f0$@net>
	<8F00D4F5-0597-4BCD-A4F6-D20BE2813E3E@comcast.net>
	<002801c8f6a3$5df57a50$19e06ef0$@net>
	<6645152a0808042000w44af84cdp1416ed8dd715d4c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<003f01c8f6b0$862a3850$927ea8f0$@net>
Message-ID: <6645152a0808042109i7974963eud8480762677f89ff@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net> wrote:
> Hmmm.... I just noticed it said " The beta is still invite-only, but we're
> no longer keeping the details under wraps -- and you're welcome to invite up
> to 10 friends to shared folders (they'll be able to download Dropbox too.)"
>
> Albert said the code was "expired" - let me see what I have to do to get you
> guys in.

FWIW it was expired for me too.

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From cfg at davehudson.net  Tue Aug  5 07:01:25 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 07:01:25 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Albert -> RE:  FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0808042116p7d2ff0c1w153b38375b8b67c9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001701c8f69f$39324d50$ab96e7f0$@net>	
	<8F00D4F5-0597-4BCD-A4F6-D20BE2813E3E@comcast.net>	
	<002801c8f6a3$5df57a50$19e06ef0$@net>	
	<6645152a0808042000w44af84cdp1416ed8dd715d4c2@mail.gmail.com>	
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	<6645152a0808042116p7d2ff0c1w153b38375b8b67c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c8f6ea$9b6d9790$d248c6b0$@net>

Albert,

You might have stopped reading this thread based on one of the posts which turned out to be incorrect.

If you want to join DropBox, just send me an email address you want to use and I can send you an invitation.

You can send the email address to me offline if you like to "dave AT davehudson DOT net"

Dave




From syberghost at gmail.com  Wed Aug  6 09:09:28 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:09:28 +0000
Subject: [cfgeeks] It's A Wet Thing
Message-ID: <1218028168.14015.3.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

The Phoenix Mars Lander, that is:

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/phoenix/release.php?ArticleID=1815

It's picked up actual water samples, not just pictures.  Also, they've
extended the mission by five more weeks.


-- 
?
   Shawn McMahon    | Compact florescents considered
   EIV Consulting   | harmful:
 http://www.eiv.com | http://youtube.com/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg
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From kmk at sanitarium.net  Wed Aug  6 11:05:33 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:05:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cfgeeks] GOLUG
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808061058410.18351@asylum.sanitarium.net>

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The GOLUG email list has been down for like 2 weeks so I figured I would
post this here and maybe Steve will see it...

None of us that hang out in #golug have any idea if there was a planned
meeting this month because the wiki was never updated and it was never
discussed on the list but we do need to have a meeting tonight.  If
nothing else we need to discuss future meetings (topics and locations).

So, I am planning to do the presentation myself.  If nobody shows up
thinking that it is their month to present I will give a refresher
of both my DJBDNS and Physical Security presentations.  These will be
fairly short and will not have much technical portion as I am not
planning to bring a computer.  I will bring a couple locks and lockpicks
though so anyone who comes should be able to pick at least a standard
Master padlock by the end of the meeting.

Then we will go to the thai place as usual.
Then we will go to the book store as usual.
Then we will hang out in the parking lot as usual once everything
closes.

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From syberghost at gmail.com  Wed Aug  6 11:10:55 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:10:55 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] GOLUG
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808061058410.18351@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808061058410.18351@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <1218035455.13554.0.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 11:05 -0400, Kevin Korb wrote:
> 
> Then we will go to the thai place as usual.
> Then we will go to the book store as usual.

Then I will wuss out because I'm old and sleepy as usual.

> Then we will hang out in the parking lot as usual once everything
> closes.


-- 
?
   Shawn McMahon    | Compact florescents considered
   EIV Consulting   | harmful:
 http://www.eiv.com | http://youtube.com/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Wed Aug  6 13:35:55 2008
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:35:55 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] GOLUG
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808061058410.18351@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808061058410.18351@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <200808061335.55874.slitt@troubleshooters.com>

On Wednesday 06 August 2008 11:05, Kevin Korb wrote:
> The GOLUG email list has been down for like 2 weeks so I figured I would
> post this here and maybe Steve will see it...
>
> None of us that hang out in #golug have any idea if there was a planned
> meeting this month because the wiki was never updated and it was never
> discussed on the list but we do need to have a meeting tonight.  If
> nothing else we need to discuss future meetings (topics and locations).
>
> So, I am planning to do the presentation myself.  If nobody shows up
> thinking that it is their month to present I will give a refresher
> of both my DJBDNS and Physical Security presentations.  These will be
> fairly short and will not have much technical portion as I am not
> planning to bring a computer.  I will bring a couple locks and lockpicks
> though so anyone who comes should be able to pick at least a standard
> Master padlock by the end of the meeting.
>
> Then we will go to the thai place as usual.
> Then we will go to the book store as usual.
> Then we will hang out in the parking lot as usual once everything
> closes.

Thanks very much for handling this Kevin. I'm out of town again this month.

When I get back I'll try to switch our mailing list somewhere else.

Thanks again.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US


From kevin at inscoe.org  Wed Aug  6 16:28:15 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:28:15 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Fwd: Central Florida Oracle Users Group - July 2008
In-Reply-To: <734645bb4c5825bc.5d5b811b67f8a0e@polly>
References: <734645bb4c5825bc.5d5b811b67f8a0e@polly>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90808061328o6c8ebe4fxb571ce8c2b618f67@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jorge Valladares <jorgev at consultis.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Subject: Central Florida Oracle Users Group - July 2008
To: Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org>


Greetings members and thank you for your patience during this
challenging period. As some of you may know, we recently suffered the
loss of David Wong, former President of CFOUG last month and we wish
his wife and family well during this difficult time.



In an effort to continue serving the Central Florida Oracle community,
I am sending this message to welcome back existing members and to
invite any potential new members to join the Central Florida Oracle
Users Group as we strive to bring together this unique collection of
technical professionals.



Our Charter:



The goal of the Central Florida Oracle Users Group, CFOUG, is to
provide a primary resource to the Central Florida area for individuals
wishing to share knowledge and experience about software and hardware
products as they relate to the Oracle [Family of Products]. Our group
promotes the free exchange of ideas, resources, assistance and support
for peers who are interested in all things Oracle.

The Central Florida Oracle Users Group was founded In August of 2001.
It serves the entire Central Florida Oracle Users Community

When we meet:



CFOUG meets on the fourth Monday of every month, unless otherwise
announced.  We start at 6:00 PM with a social get together. The
presentation meeting starts at 6:45 and we strive to end by 8:00 PM.
Our meeting place address is:
Oracle Orlando at 7453 T.G Lee Boulevard, Orlando, FL 32822

This Month:

To RAC or not to RAC, an overall view

Presented By: Troy Ligon


Speaker:  Troy Ligon, a certified Oracle DBA 25+ years residing in the
Tampa area, has run his own company and worked for some of America's
largest corporations such as IBM and CitiBank.  Troy is currently
employed by PriceWaterhouse, overseeing their Oracle systems, and has
volunteered to speak in Orlando on special engagement. Troy's
expertise is deep as it is broad, and he has always been found to be
an amazing source of knowledge, besides being entertaining.

Topic:  To RAC or Not To RAC, An Overall View - Troy Ligon

To a DBA, RAC is very tempting; you will get scalability, high
availability, and performance load balancing, not to mention a great
mark on your resume, all in one fell swoop. However, going to RAC can
be costly. In order to attain the money, man-hours, and training
necessary to implement RAC in your environment, you will most likely
need manager approval. This presentation goes through a
behind-the-scenes look at RAC, pros and cons, and other aspects that
will impact your database environment.  Troy has presented this topic
previously for the Tampa group for which he is currently presiding as
president: http://soug.acomp.usf.edu






Please register at CFOUG.org if you plan to attend and I hope to see
you all there!



Jorge Valladares

Technical Recruiter and CFOUG Membership Coordinator
jorgev at consultis.com
605 Crescent Executive Court, Suite 132, Lake Mary, FL 32746
407.792.0116| Phone (Direct)

407.805.9040, ext. 211| Office
407.805.9970| Fax
407.342.6210| Cell
Visit us online at www.consultis.com

The right choice for the right hire - providing more candidate
information with fewer candidates.






-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From apratts at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 17:04:09 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:04:09 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Albert -> RE:  FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
In-Reply-To: <001b01c8f6ea$9b6d9790$d248c6b0$@net>
References: <001701c8f69f$39324d50$ab96e7f0$@net>	
	<8F00D4F5-0597-4BCD-A4F6-D20BE2813E3E@comcast.net>	
	<002801c8f6a3$5df57a50$19e06ef0$@net>	
	<6645152a0808042000w44af84cdp1416ed8dd715d4c2@mail.gmail.com>	
	<003f01c8f6b0$862a3850$927ea8f0$@net>	
	<004001c8f6b0$d4c95360$7e5bfa20$@net>	
	<004101c8f6b1$020cb290$062617b0$@net>	
	<6645152a0808042110s1b44429fq909800cc747567a2@mail.gmail.com>	
	<004201c8f6b1$6ad69070$4083b150$@net>
	<6645152a0808042116p7d2ff0c1w153b38375b8b67c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<001b01c8f6ea$9b6d9790$d248c6b0$@net>
Message-ID: <F0388C8D-DEF3-403B-A04D-A081F3E3127B@comcast.net>

Sorry, I got busy...LOL

apratts at comcast.net

Thanks

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Aug 5, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Dave Hudson wrote:

> Albert,
>
> You might have stopped reading this thread based on one of the posts  
> which turned out to be incorrect.
>
> If you want to join DropBox, just send me an email address you want  
> to use and I can send you an invitation.
>
> You can send the email address to me offline if you like to "dave AT  
> davehudson DOT net"
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From kevin at inscoe.org  Wed Aug  6 17:33:55 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:33:55 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Dan <cough cough> Bern <cough> stein.. <cough>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90808061433g4554f5d2o25e97b4db7c3e012@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/07/the_dns_vulnera.html

-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From kevin at inscoe.org  Wed Aug  6 19:03:29 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:03:29 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Fwd: Gene Hughes passes away
In-Reply-To: <003401c8f5d7$90fd6b00$0201a8c0@Dell>
References: <003401c8f5d7$90fd6b00$0201a8c0@Dell>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90808061603j31fddf36sb070bfebb9daa4ee@mail.gmail.com>

Remember the Police Call books you see in Radio Shack...


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Harry Marnell <groupsmail at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Subject: Gene Hughes passes away
To: SCAN-L at listserv.uark.edu


Gene (Costin) Hughes, creator of "Police Call" and one of the founding
fathers of scanning, has passed away.

>From today's L.A. Times at
http://www.legacy.com/latimes/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonId=114760512

"COSTIN, Gene.   Born in Louisville, KY November 25, 1927. Gene Costin
moved with his parents at the age of 12 to Los Angeles and loved this
community. He lived a full and accomplished life. As a young man Gene
devolped interests in politics and astronomy and closely followed
developments in both areas throughout his life. He was a passionate
civil libertarian and supporter of many liberal causes and other
charities. *He was well known in the two-way radio communications
business and renowned to radio hobbyists nationwide for Police Call,
which he published under the name Gene C. Hughes.* After retirement he
served long hours as a volunteer at the LAPD, for which he received a
Volunteer of the Year award from the State of California. He was loved
and will be missed by a wonderful family- his devoted wife Mitzi,
three children, and their spouses-Cathy Costin (Mitchell Reback),
Robert Costin (Yves Yarborox), and John Costin (Rachel Phipps). He was
proud of his four grandchildren, Isaac Reback, Mia Reback, Silas
Phipps-Costin, and Judah Phipps-Costin, and he adored his dog Murray.
In lieu of flowers, contributions may be made to Tower Cancer Research
Foundation or a charity of your choice. Services will be private at
Gene's request. "

A guestbook may be signed, at
http://www.legacy.com/latimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=114760512
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Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Wed Aug  6 19:06:53 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:06:53 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] It's A Wet Thing
In-Reply-To: <1218028168.14015.3.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <1218028168.14015.3.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <6E086848-ED08-4010-AC8C-D119D02B0909@cfl.rr.com>


On Aug 6, 2008, at 9:09 AM, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> The Phoenix Mars Lander, that is:
>
> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/phoenix/release.php?ArticleID=1815
>
> It's picked up actual water samples, not just pictures.  Also, they've
> extended the mission by five more weeks.


Sure, E.T. took a whizz there one time and NASA gets all giddy. ;)

From cfg at davehudson.net  Wed Aug  6 21:36:33 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:36:33 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Albert -> RE:  FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
In-Reply-To: <F0388C8D-DEF3-403B-A04D-A081F3E3127B@comcast.net>
References: <001701c8f69f$39324d50$ab96e7f0$@net>		<8F00D4F5-0597-4BCD-A4F6-D20BE2813E3E@comcast.net>		<002801c8f6a3$5df57a50$19e06ef0$@net>		<6645152a0808042000w44af84cdp1416ed8dd715d4c2@mail.gmail.com>		<003f01c8f6b0$862a3850$927ea8f0$@net>		<004001c8f6b0$d4c95360$7e5bfa20$@net>		<004101c8f6b1$020cb290$062617b0$@net>		<6645152a0808042110s1b44429fq909800cc747567a2@mail.gmail.com>		<004201c8f6b1$6ad69070$4083b150$@net>	<6645152a0808042116p7d2ff0c1w153b38375b8b67c9@mail.gmail.com>	<001b01c8f6ea$9b6d9790$d248c6b0$@net>
	<F0388C8D-DEF3-403B-A04D-A081F3E3127B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000301c8f82e$06dab640$149022c0$@net>

Invite sent...

-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Pratts [mailto:apratts at comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:04 PM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Albert -> RE: FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation

Sorry, I got busy...LOL

apratts at comcast.net

Thanks

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Aug 5, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Dave Hudson wrote:

> Albert,
>
> You might have stopped reading this thread based on one of the posts  
> which turned out to be incorrect.
>
> If you want to join DropBox, just send me an email address you want  
> to use and I can send you an invitation.
>
> You can send the email address to me offline if you like to "dave AT  
> davehudson DOT net"
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

_______________________________________________
cfgeeks mailing list
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http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks



From apratts at comcast.net  Wed Aug  6 22:34:23 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:34:23 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Albert -> RE:  FW: Dropbox Private Beta Invitation
In-Reply-To: <000301c8f82e$06dab640$149022c0$@net>
References: <001701c8f69f$39324d50$ab96e7f0$@net>		<8F00D4F5-0597-4BCD-A4F6-D20BE2813E3E@comcast.net>		<002801c8f6a3$5df57a50$19e06ef0$@net>		<6645152a0808042000w44af84cdp1416ed8dd715d4c2@mail.gmail.com>		<003f01c8f6b0$862a3850$927ea8f0$@net>		<004001c8f6b0$d4c95360$7e5bfa20$@net>		<004101c8f6b1$020cb290$062617b0$@net>		<6645152a0808042110s1b44429fq909800cc747567a2@mail.gmail.com>		<004201c8f6b1$6ad69070$4083b150$@net>	<6645152a0808042116p7d2ff0c1w153b38375b8b67c9@mail.gmail.com>	<001b01c8f6ea$9b6d9790$d248c6b0$@net>
	<F0388C8D-DEF3-403B-A04D-A081F3E3127B@comcast.net>
	<000301c8f82e$06dab640$149022c0$@net>
Message-ID: <007BE134-1249-41F2-9D7F-3556B215DBB8@comcast.net>

Thanks!

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Aug 6, 2008, at 9:36 PM, Dave Hudson wrote:

> Invite sent...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Albert Pratts [mailto:apratts at comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:04 PM
> To: Central Florida Geeks
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Albert -> RE: FW: Dropbox Private Beta  
> Invitation
>
> Sorry, I got busy...LOL
>
> apratts at comcast.net
>
> Thanks
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Dave Hudson wrote:
>
>> Albert,
>>
>> You might have stopped reading this thread based on one of the posts
>> which turned out to be incorrect.
>>
>> If you want to join DropBox, just send me an email address you want
>> to use and I can send you an invitation.
>>
>> You can send the email address to me offline if you like to "dave AT
>> davehudson DOT net"
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From syberghost at gmail.com  Thu Aug  7 14:03:43 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:03:43 +0000
Subject: [cfgeeks] But what's their midichlorian count?
Message-ID: <1218132223.32249.18.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/08/07/neanderthal-dna.html

DNA extracted from a 38,000-year-old Neanderthal bone has just enabled
scientists to sequence the complete mitochondrial genome for the
human-like species, according to a paper that will be published tomorrow
in the journal Cell.


-- 
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   Shawn McMahon    | Compact florescents considered
   EIV Consulting   | harmful:
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From apratts at comcast.net  Thu Aug  7 19:45:44 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:45:44 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] 50 Cal. Desert Eagle and Girls don't mix
Message-ID: <370B3351-0EB4-49EB-95D0-322D65C635D7@comcast.net>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRgYtp3HfvY

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA




From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Thu Aug  7 21:06:41 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:06:41 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] 50 Cal. Desert Eagle and Girls don't mix
In-Reply-To: <370B3351-0EB4-49EB-95D0-322D65C635D7@comcast.net>
References: <370B3351-0EB4-49EB-95D0-322D65C635D7@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <DEE8CE3C-81D2-40CF-A549-5F9FF7A43B6E@cfl.rr.com>

Fortunate her finger didn't pull the trigger again whilst it was  
slamming into her nose.

On Aug 7, 2008, at 7:45 PM, Albert Pratts wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRgYtp3HfvY
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 09:24:54 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:24:54 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Whatcha gonna do now, Windows fans?
Message-ID: <1218201894.16227.18.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/08/08/vista39s-security-rendered-completely-useless-by-new-exploit

According to Dino Dai Zovi, a popular security researcher, "the genius
of this is that it's completely reusable. They have attacks that let
them load chosen content to a chosen location with chosen permissions.
That's completely game over."


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From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Fri Aug  8 09:48:39 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:48:39 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Whatcha gonna do now, Windows fans?
In-Reply-To: <1218201894.16227.18.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <1218201894.16227.18.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <B54980F0-1571-451A-B0E4-A2EC3089B613@cfl.rr.com>

#2 Posted by Marshalus on 08 Aug 2008 - 00:53   I'm going to go cry in  
a corner now.

#2.1 Posted by +warwagon on 08 Aug 2008 - 01:12   Aww

#2.2 Posted by EduardValencia on 08 Aug 2008 - 03:09   Use the clown  
hat,and look to the wall please


On Aug 8, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/08/08/vista39s-security-rendered-completely-useless-by-new-exploit
>
> According to Dino Dai Zovi, a popular security researcher, "the genius
> of this is that it's completely reusable. They have attacks that let
> them load chosen content to a chosen location with chosen permissions.
> That's completely game over."
>
>
> -- 
>
>   Shawn McMahon    | Compact florescents considered
>   EIV Consulting   | harmful:
> http://www.eiv.com | http://youtube.com/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg
> _______________________________________________
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 16:05:05 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:05:05 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] IAKKT
Message-ID: <1218225905.16227.61.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/264/48/


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From syberghost at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 16:21:00 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:21:00 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Large Hadron Rap
Message-ID: <1218226860.16227.65.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM


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From kmk at sanitarium.net  Fri Aug  8 16:37:00 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:37:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cfgeeks] IAKKT
In-Reply-To: <1218225905.16227.61.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <1218225905.16227.61.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808081636290.23480@asylum.sanitarium.net>

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lol, I have heard of people doing that before.  In fact there was a case
of a prison (IIRC) having to be completely re-keyed because someone
showed one of the keys on TV.

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:05:05 -0400
> From: Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: [cfgeeks] IAKKT
> 
> http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/264/48/
>
>
>
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From mrbill at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 22:23:50 2008
From: mrbill at gmail.com (Bill Bradford)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:23:50 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FS ads allowed here?
Message-ID: <22197e1d0808081923y7c1f52fcxb387250ed5c401bb@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a decent portable shortwave/am/fm receiver I'm trying to get
rid of (went to HD Radio for my desk at work), but I dunno if ads are
allowed here.

From kevin at inscoe.org  Mon Aug 11 08:39:33 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:39:33 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] [Fwd: Business Continuity and Disaster Recovery]
Message-ID: <48A03305.9010205@inscoe.org>

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From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Mon Aug 11 15:22:02 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (gjyoung at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:22:02 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] raw database copy
Message-ID: <12722235.2301511218482522169.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>

I may have relayed this here before.  If so I apologize, consider it therapy for me to do so over and over ;p.

Here is the deal, I have a raw partition on an ancient RAID unit, attached to a Solaris 7 system (sparcstation 10).  Partition sizes are 2 gig, 1.42 gig, 1 gig and 1 gig, all raw, storing a Sybase database.  The powers that be seem to think it's a good idea to spend time and money to create a redundant system, rather than spend time and money to  migrate the data off to a modern system.  Or maybe they are going to do both but I am charged with the first part.

If it was all UFS on semi-standard drives, it'd be cake for me, but the raw partitions on the ancient RAID unit is what worries me.

Is it possible to do a raw copy using DD from one raw device of a certain size/geometry to another raw device of a different size/geometry, or must I match the exact geometry of the current raw partitions to a new device/partitions?  Does that geometry just need to be the same # of blocks?  Anyone do this successfully before?

TIA,
Gil

From kevin at inscoe.org  Mon Aug 11 15:41:27 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:41:27 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] raw database copy
In-Reply-To: <12722235.2301511218482522169.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>
References: <12722235.2301511218482522169.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90808111241t192effe9i3f667e18b303eb3c@mail.gmail.com>

dd is blocks and not geometry so non-like disks don't matter.  Having
said that perhaps an export would be more prudent? Hopefully that's
how your backing up anyway?

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:22 PM,  <gjyoung at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> I may have relayed this here before.  If so I apologize, consider it therapy for me to do so over and over ;p.
>
> Here is the deal, I have a raw partition on an ancient RAID unit, attached to a Solaris 7 system (sparcstation 10).  Partition sizes are 2 gig, 1.42 gig, 1 gig and 1 gig, all raw, storing a Sybase database.  The powers that be seem to think it's a good idea to spend time and money to create a redundant system, rather than spend time and money to  migrate the data off to a modern system.  Or maybe they are going to do both but I am charged with the first part.
>
> If it was all UFS on semi-standard drives, it'd be cake for me, but the raw partitions on the ancient RAID unit is what worries me.
>
> Is it possible to do a raw copy using DD from one raw device of a certain size/geometry to another raw device of a different size/geometry, or must I match the exact geometry of the current raw partitions to a new device/partitions?  Does that geometry just need to be the same # of blocks?  Anyone do this successfully before?
>
> TIA,
> Gil
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
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From kmk at sanitarium.net  Mon Aug 11 16:04:16 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:04:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cfgeeks] raw database copy
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90808111241t192effe9i3f667e18b303eb3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12722235.2301511218482522169.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>
	<e8ce78c90808111241t192effe9i3f667e18b303eb3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808111603160.9406@asylum.sanitarium.net>

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That is true if you are using dd on the /dev/dsk/* devices.  If you use
dd on the /dev/rdsk/* devices though Solaris can do some funky things if
you don't match geometries.

A backup and restore isn't a bad idea.  Not only should it work but it
is a good test to make sure that your backups work.

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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Kevin Inscoe wrote:

> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:41:27 -0400
> From: Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] raw database copy
> 
> dd is blocks and not geometry so non-like disks don't matter.  Having
> said that perhaps an export would be more prudent? Hopefully that's
> how your backing up anyway?
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:22 PM,  <gjyoung at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>> I may have relayed this here before.  If so I apologize, consider it therapy for me to do so over and over ;p.
>>
>> Here is the deal, I have a raw partition on an ancient RAID unit, attached to a Solaris 7 system (sparcstation 10).  Partition sizes are 2 gig, 1.42 gig, 1 gig and 1 gig, all raw, storing a Sybase database.  The powers that be seem to think it's a good idea to spend time and money to create a redundant system, rather than spend time and money to  migrate the data off to a modern system.  Or maybe they are going to do both but I am charged with the first part.
>>
>> If it was all UFS on semi-standard drives, it'd be cake for me, but the raw partitions on the ancient RAID unit is what worries me.
>>
>> Is it possible to do a raw copy using DD from one raw device of a certain size/geometry to another raw device of a different size/geometry, or must I match the exact geometry of the current raw partitions to a new device/partitions?  Does that geometry just need to be the same # of blocks?  Anyone do this successfully before?
>>
>> TIA,
>> Gil
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>
>
>
>
>
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Mon Aug 11 16:07:38 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:07:38 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] raw database copy
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808111603160.9406@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <12722235.2301511218482522169.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>
	<e8ce78c90808111241t192effe9i3f667e18b303eb3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0808111603160.9406@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90808111307g529e8b4epf131ba6584eec13@mail.gmail.com>

Actually the other way around. The raw device it's phys. block but on
the cooked file system that's a different story because then Solaris
uses logical blocks which are not the same. but Gil did say "raw" so
that stands. :-)

Note I would never clone a bootable or UFS disk using dd (rather
ufsrestore) but if it is raw well than that's perfect for it.

Also see Infodoc 1794.

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Kevin Korb <kmk at sanitarium.net> wrote:
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> That is true if you are using dd on the /dev/dsk/* devices.  If you use
> dd on the /dev/rdsk/* devices though Solaris can do some funky things if
> you don't match geometries.
>
> A backup and restore isn't a bad idea.  Not only should it work but it
> is a good test to make sure that your backups work.
>
> - --
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>        Kevin Korb                      Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>        Systems Administrator           Internet:
>        FutureQuest, Inc.               Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>        Orlando, Florida                kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>        Web page:                       http://www.sanitarium.net/
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> ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:41:27 -0400
>> From: Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org>
>> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] raw database copy
>>
>> dd is blocks and not geometry so non-like disks don't matter.  Having
>> said that perhaps an export would be more prudent? Hopefully that's
>> how your backing up anyway?
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:22 PM,  <gjyoung at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I may have relayed this here before.  If so I apologize, consider it
>>> therapy for me to do so over and over ;p.
>>>
>>> Here is the deal, I have a raw partition on an ancient RAID unit,
>>> attached to a Solaris 7 system (sparcstation 10).  Partition sizes are 2
>>> gig, 1.42 gig, 1 gig and 1 gig, all raw, storing a Sybase database.  The
>>> powers that be seem to think it's a good idea to spend time and money to
>>> create a redundant system, rather than spend time and money to  migrate the
>>> data off to a modern system.  Or maybe they are going to do both but I am
>>> charged with the first part.
>>>
>>> If it was all UFS on semi-standard drives, it'd be cake for me, but the
>>> raw partitions on the ancient RAID unit is what worries me.
>>>
>>> Is it possible to do a raw copy using DD from one raw device of a certain
>>> size/geometry to another raw device of a different size/geometry, or must I
>>> match the exact geometry of the current raw partitions to a new
>>> device/partitions?  Does that geometry just need to be the same # of blocks?
>>>  Anyone do this successfully before?
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>> Gil
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cfgeeks mailing list
>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From kevin at inscoe.org  Mon Aug 11 16:10:51 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:10:51 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] raw database copy
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808111603160.9406@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <12722235.2301511218482522169.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>
	<e8ce78c90808111241t192effe9i3f667e18b303eb3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0808111603160.9406@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90808111310w5cf22c80g46cb1fd448a10cbb@mail.gmail.com>

Also I should point out that on a Sun labeled unformatted raw
partition rdsk and dsk have no distinction that only applies to
formated slices so yes I could see why dd would go wonky on a cooked
rdsk but as I say I would not a dd on a cooked slice anyway. Also note
that if the disk is NOT Sun labeled (meaning format can read it
properly) you won't get jack (you will get errors) but that can't be
the case since it is working already.

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Kevin Korb <kmk at sanitarium.net> wrote:
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>
> That is true if you are using dd on the /dev/dsk/* devices.  If you use
> dd on the /dev/rdsk/* devices though Solaris can do some funky things if
> you don't match geometries.
>
> A backup and restore isn't a bad idea.  Not only should it work but it
> is a good test to make sure that your backups work.
>
> - --
> ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>        Kevin Korb                      Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>        Systems Administrator           Internet:
>        FutureQuest, Inc.               Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>        Orlando, Florida                kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>        Web page:                       http://www.sanitarium.net/
>        PGP public key available on web site.
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> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:41:27 -0400
>> From: Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org>
>> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] raw database copy
>>
>> dd is blocks and not geometry so non-like disks don't matter.  Having
>> said that perhaps an export would be more prudent? Hopefully that's
>> how your backing up anyway?
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:22 PM,  <gjyoung at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I may have relayed this here before.  If so I apologize, consider it
>>> therapy for me to do so over and over ;p.
>>>
>>> Here is the deal, I have a raw partition on an ancient RAID unit,
>>> attached to a Solaris 7 system (sparcstation 10).  Partition sizes are 2
>>> gig, 1.42 gig, 1 gig and 1 gig, all raw, storing a Sybase database.  The
>>> powers that be seem to think it's a good idea to spend time and money to
>>> create a redundant system, rather than spend time and money to  migrate the
>>> data off to a modern system.  Or maybe they are going to do both but I am
>>> charged with the first part.
>>>
>>> If it was all UFS on semi-standard drives, it'd be cake for me, but the
>>> raw partitions on the ancient RAID unit is what worries me.
>>>
>>> Is it possible to do a raw copy using DD from one raw device of a certain
>>> size/geometry to another raw device of a different size/geometry, or must I
>>> match the exact geometry of the current raw partitions to a new
>>> device/partitions?  Does that geometry just need to be the same # of blocks?
>>>  Anyone do this successfully before?
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>> Gil
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cfgeeks mailing list
>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Skype: ke3vin
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From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Mon Aug 11 17:02:54 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (gjyoung at cfl.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:02:54 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] raw database copy
Message-ID: <24644430.2321691218488574152.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>

Backups.... Backups!!  HAAH! Ok yes there are backups but it goes like this, we pop a tape in and Sybase backs up the database to tape.  Restoring it is tribal knowledge long lost, and the version of Sybase is, like all things associated with it, ancient.  I'm sure if we were i a pinch we could pay sybase 20K and they would put someone on a plane to come down and rescue it.

Well i'm ordering hardware now and I guess i'll get to tinker some when I have time.

Thankya for the responses  K and K.

---- Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote: 
> dd is blocks and not geometry so non-like disks don't matter.  Having
> said that perhaps an export would be more prudent? Hopefully that's
> how your backing up anyway?
> 
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 3:22 PM,  <gjyoung at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> > I may have relayed this here before.  If so I apologize, consider it therapy for me to do so over and over ;p.
> >
> > Here is the deal, I have a raw partition on an ancient RAID unit, attached to a Solaris 7 system (sparcstation 10).  Partition sizes are 2 gig, 1.42 gig, 1 gig and 1 gig, all raw, storing a Sybase database.  The powers that be seem to think it's a good idea to spend time and money to create a redundant system, rather than spend time and money to  migrate the data off to a modern system.  Or maybe they are going to do both but I am charged with the first part.
> >
> > If it was all UFS on semi-standard drives, it'd be cake for me, but the raw partitions on the ancient RAID unit is what worries me.
> >
> > Is it possible to do a raw copy using DD from one raw device of a certain size/geometry to another raw device of a different size/geometry, or must I match the exact geometry of the current raw partitions to a new device/partitions?  Does that geometry just need to be the same # of blocks?  Anyone do this successfully before?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Gil
> > _______________________________________________
> > cfgeeks mailing list
> > cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> > http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
> Skype: ke3vin
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Mon Aug 11 18:38:21 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:38:21 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Fwd: [orlando_pm_group] Tomorrows Meeting
In-Reply-To: <7a85dcba-8d53-4392-845a-7c5a92b340b0@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
References: <7a85dcba-8d53-4392-845a-7c5a92b340b0@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90808111538v6c2de002ief193ccdc53e3d6@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: snapcount <roy.l.johnson at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Subject: [orlando_pm_group] Tomorrows Meeting
To: Orlando Perl Mongers <orlando-perl-mongers at googlegroups.com>



All,
  I am traveling for $dayjob currently so I will not be at tomorrow's
meeting.  Aaron Johnson will be standing in for me.  My hope is that
we can nail down some details about Perl Oasis.  I'm going to try and
call in at some point tomorrow just to see how things are going in
case you guys have any questions for me.

Also, since I'm not going to be there, we'll move the talk on malachi
to next month.  This meeting is going to be dedicated to Perl Oasis.
Let me know if you guys have any questions and I'll do my best to
respond before the meeting.

Roy
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Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
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From mdb at cfl.rr.com  Mon Aug 11 22:01:53 2008
From: mdb at cfl.rr.com (Michael Derek Barnett)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:01:53 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] python script to grab streaming feeds for the olympics
Message-ID: <48A0EF11.4080908@cfl.rr.com>

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=883142&page=4

it works, watched a couple of events tonight.

derek

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From kevin at inscoe.org  Tue Aug 12 10:35:19 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:35:19 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Cool toy inside! Cool toy inside! - UHF
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90808120735y5f23bbddg2ef275f1ac76b0f1@mail.gmail.com>

"Don't let your mom know you do this." - Spidowski, UHF

http://www.woot.com/

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kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From kevin at inscoe.org  Tue Aug 12 15:35:01 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:35:01 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Apple opening store in Altamonte Aug. 16
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90808121235j5b81f24dtdc94ea662edfb354@mail.gmail.com>

http://url.kevininscoe.com/?20080812153386206

-- 
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Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From apratts at comcast.net  Tue Aug 12 15:44:24 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:44:24 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Apple opening store in Altamonte Aug. 16
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90808121235j5b81f24dtdc94ea662edfb354@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8ce78c90808121235j5b81f24dtdc94ea662edfb354@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93BB35AB-0016-4A09-A3C2-4C163BBCE4AB@comcast.net>

WOW..... X at least few months behind....

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Aug 12, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:

> http://url.kevininscoe.com/?20080812153386206
>
> -- 
> Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
> Skype: ke3vin
> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
> Clark Powell
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From kevin at inscoe.org  Tue Aug 12 19:48:07 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:48:07 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] I knew I liked black for a reason...
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90808121648y5001db29w5b353d91e32526f9@mail.gmail.com>

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/23937749/

"Wear a chic all-black outfit to work, and don't smile as often as
you're inclined. You'll be seen as assertive and directed. Studies
have found that people in black uniforms (like sports teams) are
viewed as more dominant figures, while the act of keeping a neutral
face is associated with higher status and power in a work
environment."  ... or you get known as "that moody Goth kid".

-- 
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Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From kevin at inscoe.org  Wed Aug 13 16:28:16 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:28:16 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Fwd: VAX / ALPHA Opportunities (8/13)
In-Reply-To: <20080813201215.017FB50078@mail.yellowtwister.com>
References: <20080813201215.017FB50078@mail.yellowtwister.com>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90808131328n1ad56b1el91e71ebfc152a560@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe they will allow remote.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:  <joshua.obermark at ajilon.com>
Date: Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:19 PM
Subject: VAX / ALPHA Opportunities (8/13)
To: kevin at inscoe.org


Hello,

Ajilon Consulting in St. Louis, Missouri has IMMEDIATE openings
locally for talented VAX/ALPHA Programmers. Pascal experience would be
a huge plus. Do you know anybody who might be interested in these
types of needs ? These are PERM hire opportunities. I will pay $1000
bonus for any referral that I'm able to put to
work. I appreciate any and all feedback VERY much !


joshua.obermark at ajilon.com
314.434-5003 X227
800.434-2342 X227






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kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From apratts at comcast.net  Thu Aug 14 18:14:09 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:14:09 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Quantum weirdness wins again: Entanglement clocks in at
	10, 000+ times faster than light
Message-ID: <85A498E7-BB85-48AC-968C-C96B93FC7F68@comcast.net>

http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=quantum-weirdnes-wins-again-entangl-2008-08-13&sc=rss

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA




From syberghost at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 23:13:21 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:13:21 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Quantum weirdness wins again: Entanglement clocks
	in	at 10, 000+ times faster than light
In-Reply-To: <85A498E7-BB85-48AC-968C-C96B93FC7F68@comcast.net>
References: <85A498E7-BB85-48AC-968C-C96B93FC7F68@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1218770001.19754.5.camel@qward>

On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 18:14 -0400, Albert Pratts wrote:
> http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=quantum-weirdnes-wins-again-entangl-2008-08-13&sc=rss

The way I read this, they didn't actually establish that it's not
instantaneous; they only established that IF it's not instantaneous,
it's faster that 10Kc.

The difference is significant; if they establish it's not infinite, you
start having to look very very closely at not only Special Relativity,
but all the way back to Michaelson-Morley.  That way lies Etheric
goodness; or madness, depending on how bummed you were by the demise of
the Ether.


From john at mayson.us  Fri Aug 15 09:54:06 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:54:06 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Quantum weirdness wins again: Entanglement clocks in
	at 10, 000+ times faster than light
In-Reply-To: <1218770001.19754.5.camel@qward>
References: <85A498E7-BB85-48AC-968C-C96B93FC7F68@comcast.net>
	<1218770001.19754.5.camel@qward>
Message-ID: <6645152a0808150654l5d6b0089pe47a369eeb5c56d5@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 18:14 -0400, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=quantum-weirdnes-wins-again-entangl-2008-08-13&sc=rss
>
> The way I read this, they didn't actually establish that it's not
> instantaneous; they only established that IF it's not instantaneous,
> it's faster that 10Kc.

You're just jealous because they can deliver packages faster than
FedEx can.  :-P

John

-- 
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Austin, Texas, USA

From kevin at inscoe.org  Fri Aug 15 11:16:38 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:16:38 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Happy Birthday John
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90808150816k62224a6eu8d4f5503402ec08f@mail.gmail.com>

You can get a black bike next year if my calcs are correct.

-- 
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kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From john at mayson.us  Fri Aug 15 11:51:44 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:51:44 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Happy Birthday John
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90808150816k62224a6eu8d4f5503402ec08f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8ce78c90808150816k62224a6eu8d4f5503402ec08f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6645152a0808150851i7f68b2e9s27fbd8a813804f5a@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
>
> You can get a black bike next year if my calcs are correct.

Don't make me beat you with my walker.  :-)

Woodstock and I are 39 today.

John

--
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Austin, Texas, USA

From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Sat Aug 16 12:54:51 2008
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:54:51 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No flash for 64 bit Linux?
Message-ID: <200808161254.51431.slitt@troubleshooters.com>

Hi all,

I'm building a new dualcore 64bit Linux box -- 1tb disk, 8gb ram.

I surfed to youtube with it and tried to play a video. As normal, it said I 
need flash and guided me to download it. But then it said there's no flash 
for 64 bit Linux.

Is that true? Has anyone gotten Flash to work on 64 bit Linux?

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US


From kmk at sanitarium.net  Sat Aug 16 12:50:49 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:50:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cfgeeks] [GoLugTech] No flash for 64 bit Linux?
In-Reply-To: <200808161254.51431.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
References: <200808161254.51431.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808161248570.25212@asylum.sanitarium.net>

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Nope, you have to use the 32 bit version.  Which takes a bit of effort I
hear.  You will probably find some codecs that don't work right either.
I have stuck with 32 bit Linux on my 64 bit boxes.

btw, what is a cheap-skate like you doing with 8GB of RAM?

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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008, Steve Litt wrote:

> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:54:51 -0400
> From: Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com>
> To: tech at golug.org
> Cc: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: [GoLugTech] No flash for 64 bit Linux?
> 
> Hi all,
>
> I'm building a new dualcore 64bit Linux box -- 1tb disk, 8gb ram.
>
> I surfed to youtube with it and tried to play a video. As normal, it said I
> need flash and guided me to download it. But then it said there's no flash
> for 64 bit Linux.
>
> Is that true? Has anyone gotten Flash to work on 64 bit Linux?
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> Recession Relief Package
> http://www.recession-relief.US
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tech mailing list
> Tech at golug.org
> http://www.golug.org/mailman/listinfo/tech
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Sat Aug 16 13:32:01 2008
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:32:01 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] [GoLugTech] No flash for 64 bit Linux?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808161248570.25212@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <200808161254.51431.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0808161248570.25212@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <200808161332.01751.slitt@troubleshooters.com>

On Saturday 16 August 2008 12:50, Kevin Korb wrote:
> Nope, you have to use the 32 bit version.  Which takes a bit of effort I
> hear.  You will probably find some codecs that don't work right either.
> I have stuck with 32 bit Linux on my 64 bit boxes.
>
> btw, what is a cheap-skate like you doing with 8GB of RAM?

I'm so cheap that I demand my main computer do all my work. I often have 40 
different processes open at once. I like having a lot of disk cache so I can 
cheap out on a commodity 7200 eide barracuda. I also tend to keep my 
computers for a long, long time, by the end of which they have insufficient 
RAM to run the software created years after the computer was bought.

So, to save money, I spend about $25.00 per Gig on RAM.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Sat Aug 16 13:32:55 2008
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:32:55 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] [GoLugTech] No flash for 64 bit Linux?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808161248570.25212@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <200808161254.51431.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0808161248570.25212@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <200808161332.55934.slitt@troubleshooters.com>

On Saturday 16 August 2008 12:50, Kevin Korb wrote:
> Nope, you have to use the 32 bit version.  Which takes a bit of effort I
> hear. 

Any idea where there are instructions to use 32 bit Flash on a 64 bit OS?

Thanks

SteeT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US


From syberghost at gmail.com  Sun Aug 17 09:25:18 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:25:18 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No flash for 64 bit Linux?
In-Reply-To: <200808161254.51431.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
References: <200808161254.51431.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
Message-ID: <1218979518.6176.1.camel@qward>

On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 12:54 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm building a new dualcore 64bit Linux box -- 1tb disk, 8gb ram.
> 
> I surfed to youtube with it and tried to play a video. As normal, it said I 
> need flash and guided me to download it. But then it said there's no flash 
> for 64 bit Linux.
> 
> Is that true? Has anyone gotten Flash to work on 64 bit Linux?

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins


From syberghost at gmail.com  Sun Aug 17 09:26:10 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:26:10 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No flash for 64 bit Linux?
In-Reply-To: <200808161254.51431.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
References: <200808161254.51431.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
Message-ID: <1218979570.6176.3.camel@qward>

On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 12:54 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm building a new dualcore 64bit Linux box -- 1tb disk, 8gb ram.
> 
> I surfed to youtube with it and tried to play a video. As normal, it said I 
> need flash and guided me to download it. But then it said there's no flash 
> for 64 bit Linux.

Oh, I should add; you can compile a 32bit kernel with BIGMEM support,
it'll handle up to 64GB of RAM.


From kevin at inscoe.org  Sun Aug 17 09:33:35 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:33:35 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] DTX!
Message-ID: <48A828AF.900@inscoe.org>

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http://www.firefightingnews.com/article-US.cfm?articleID=51530

"...state Fire Marshal's Office said the fire traveled from the barn to
the home through a coaxial cable that was part of a security system.

While firefighters were trying to extinguish the barn fire, they learned
several different chemicals and about 1,500 pounds of copper wire were
stored inside and that there was an underground storage system holding
about 200 pounds of fertilizer, Szafraniec said.

With the chemicals releasing a plume into the air, residents of about 50
homes within a quarter-mile were called by an automated system and told
to stay inside their homes. That precautionary advisory has since been
lifted.

More than a dozen hazardous materials technicians monitored the air
quality in the area, but found no problems, said Nicholas Castelli,
coordinator of the Volusia County Hazardous Materials Team. "Copper
burns at an accelerated rate and it is very difficult to extinguish," he
said."

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Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Sun Aug 17 09:37:24 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:37:24 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Locksmiths not happy about geeks who pick locks
Message-ID: <1218980244.6176.5.camel@qward>

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080711.wlpicking11/EmailBNStory/lifeMain



From apratts at comcast.net  Sun Aug 17 10:01:09 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:01:09 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] [GoLugTech] No flash for 64 bit Linux?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808161248570.25212@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <200808161254.51431.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0808161248570.25212@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <95BDB3F8-81CD-429C-A9C8-EFEB3054DBDA@comcast.net>

Maybe a gift from someone...

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Aug 16, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:

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> Nope, you have to use the 32 bit version.  Which takes a bit of  
> effort I
> hear.  You will probably find some codecs that don't work right  
> either.
> I have stuck with 32 bit Linux on my 64 bit boxes.
>
> btw, what is a cheap-skate like you doing with 8GB of RAM?
>
> - -- ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
> 	Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
> 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
> 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
> 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
> 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
> 	PGP public key available on web site.
> ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008, Steve Litt wrote:
>
>> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:54:51 -0400
>> From: Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com>
>> To: tech at golug.org
>> Cc: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>> Subject: [GoLugTech] No flash for 64 bit Linux?
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm building a new dualcore 64bit Linux box -- 1tb disk, 8gb ram.
>>
>> I surfed to youtube with it and tried to play a video. As normal,  
>> it said I
>> need flash and guided me to download it. But then it said there's  
>> no flash
>> for 64 bit Linux.
>>
>> Is that true? Has anyone gotten Flash to work on 64 bit Linux?
>>
>> SteveT
>>
>> Steve Litt
>> Recession Relief Package
>> http://www.recession-relief.US
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tech mailing list
>> Tech at golug.org
>> http://www.golug.org/mailman/listinfo/tech
>>
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From kmk at sanitarium.net  Sun Aug 17 10:12:35 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:12:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cfgeeks] Locksmiths not happy about geeks who pick locks
In-Reply-To: <1218980244.6176.5.camel@qward>
References: <1218980244.6176.5.camel@qward>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0808171008430.10941@asylum.sanitarium.net>

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My lock smith didn't mind me talking about picking.  I even had all the
locks in the house picked when he showed up to re-key them for me.  Of
course I was actually buying stuff.  Re-keying all the locks and
replacing many of the cylinders so they would all use the same key cost
about $300.

The thing about training thieves is BS.  It is extremely rare that
theives use lock picks.  It is a skill that requires time to learn, it
takes time to do, it takes lots of practice, and it virtually guarantees
a conviction with a max sentence if you get caught since you will look
like a professional criminal.

- -- 
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
 	Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
 	PGP public key available on web site.
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:37:24 -0400
> From: Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>
> To: cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org, tech at golug.org
> Subject: [cfgeeks] Locksmiths not happy about geeks who pick locks
> 
> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080711.wlpicking11/EmailBNStory/lifeMain
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
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From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Sun Aug 17 10:35:02 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:35:02 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Locksmiths not happy about geeks who pick locks
In-Reply-To: <1218980244.6176.5.camel@qward>
References: <1218980244.6176.5.camel@qward>
Message-ID: <683C208A-EAFC-4C2C-B7EA-5A5C407EA905@cfl.rr.com>

IAKMKT!

On Aug 17, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080711.wlpicking11/EmailBNStory/lifeMain
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From kevin at inscoe.org  Sun Aug 17 12:58:20 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:58:20 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] The Memes Clarice.. tell me about the Meme's...
Message-ID: <48A858AC.1080800@inscoe.org>

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http://www.dipity.com/user/tatercakes/timeline/Internet_Memes/embed_tl

- --
Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
GPG 0x61288D53                                          Skype: ke3vin













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From cfg at davehudson.net  Sun Aug 17 16:25:11 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:25:11 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
Message-ID: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net>

Well, I didn't think I'd be posting this message, but after 1 month of my
wife using the iPhone 3G, I have decided I don't want one!

To be honest, I am shocked at some of the features that are missing - like
A2DP support!  WTF!  

Every excuse I've seen for lack of features on the iPhone stems from "to
preserve battery life"..

My wife has gone as far as to turn off 3G because her battery only lasts
about 6-8 hours with it on.

Give me a break. the iPhone looks cool, but with my BlackJack I can get in
my car and it connects to my Bluetooth stereo and I can take calls on it as
well as stream my audio to it.  All I'm ending up with for my wife's iPhone
is a huge collection of adapters and add-ons to make it do the simple things
it should.





From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Sun Aug 17 18:24:27 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:24:27 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] The Memes Clarice.. tell me about the Meme's...
In-Reply-To: <48A858AC.1080800@inscoe.org>
References: <48A858AC.1080800@inscoe.org>
Message-ID: <4D11B5F1-CEA5-4C62-9A6C-CD865968DF0E@cfl.rr.com>


On Aug 17, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Kevin P. Inscoe wrote:

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> http://www.dipity.com/user/tatercakes/timeline/Internet_Memes/embed_tl

What, no "badgers" meme?

http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/



From syberghost at gmail.com  Sun Aug 17 20:54:10 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:54:10 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] It's A Warcraft Thing
Message-ID: <1219020850.6630.1.camel@qward>

I'm playing World of Warcraft now.  If anybody plays, I'm mostly on Moon
Guard, either as Gatagis the Orc Hunter or Longstride the Dwarf Paladin.



From apratts at comcast.net  Sun Aug 17 22:59:34 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:59:34 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net>
Message-ID: <9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>




On Aug 17, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Dave Hudson wrote:

> Well, I didn't think I'd be posting this message, but after 1 month  
> of my
> wife using the iPhone 3G, I have decided I don't want one!
>
> To be honest, I am shocked at some of the features that are missing  
> - like
> A2DP support!  WTF!

Everyone knew that with the exception of Dave. I guess you didn't do  
your homework, so don't blame Apple. ;-)

> Every excuse I've seen for lack of features on the iPhone stems from  
> "to
> preserve battery life"..
>
> My wife has gone as far as to turn off 3G because her battery only  
> lasts
> about 6-8 hours with it on.

That's common on every Smartphone using 3G.
>
>
> Give me a break. the iPhone looks cool, but with my BlackJack I can  
> get in
> my car and it connects to my Bluetooth stereo and I can take calls  
> on it as
> well as stream my audio to it.  All I'm ending up with for my wife's  
> iPhone
> is a huge collection of adapters and add-ons to make it do the  
> simple things
> it should.
>
I can do the same... Connectors for what???? I don't have a single  
connector for my iPhone.


Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA


From apratts at comcast.net  Sun Aug 17 23:01:03 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:01:03 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <alpine.OSX.1.10.0808172036250.1783@Macintosh.local>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net>
	<alpine.OSX.1.10.0808172036250.1783@Macintosh.local>
Message-ID: <BED46A7D-C860-4952-8619-247CDD988313@comcast.net>

I'll be easy... I just get mad with some of the ranting about the  
iPhone or any products. People buy them and then the complaint. WTF...  
Read, Research, Ask and then get it.

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Aug 17, 2008, at 9:36 PM, John Mayson wrote:

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>
> - -- John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Sun Aug 17 23:27:02 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 23:27:02 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] It's A Warcraft Thing
In-Reply-To: <alpine.OSX.1.10.0808172035370.1783@Macintosh.local>
References: <1219020850.6630.1.camel@qward>
	<alpine.OSX.1.10.0808172035370.1783@Macintosh.local>
Message-ID: <1219030022.6946.0.camel@qward>

On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 20:35 -0500, John Mayson wrote:
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> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:
> 
> > I'm playing World of Warcraft now.  If anybody plays, I'm mostly on Moon
> > Guard, either as Gatagis the Orc Hunter or Longstride the Dwarf Paladin.
> 
> And I thought I had no life.  ;-)

You're just jealous of Gatagis and his faithful Durotar Tiger, "Dog".


From syberghost at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 06:36:59 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (syberghost at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:36:59 +0000
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net><9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <908839476-1219055849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302047422-@bxe111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

6 hours with 3G on is common?  My Blackberry has it on 24/7 and the battery lasts 3-4 days.

The koolaid in Apple Land.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:59:34 
To: Central Florida Geeks<cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G





On Aug 17, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Dave Hudson wrote:

> Well, I didn't think I'd be posting this message, but after 1 month  
> of my
> wife using the iPhone 3G, I have decided I don't want one!
>
> To be honest, I am shocked at some of the features that are missing  
> - like
> A2DP support!  WTF!

Everyone knew that with the exception of Dave. I guess you didn't do  
your homework, so don't blame Apple. ;-)

> Every excuse I've seen for lack of features on the iPhone stems from  
> "to
> preserve battery life"..
>
> My wife has gone as far as to turn off 3G because her battery only  
> lasts
> about 6-8 hours with it on.

That's common on every Smartphone using 3G.
>
>
> Give me a break. the iPhone looks cool, but with my BlackJack I can  
> get in
> my car and it connects to my Bluetooth stereo and I can take calls  
> on it as
> well as stream my audio to it.  All I'm ending up with for my wife's  
> iPhone
> is a huge collection of adapters and add-ons to make it do the  
> simple things
> it should.
>
I can do the same... Connectors for what???? I don't have a single  
connector for my iPhone.


Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA

_______________________________________________
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cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

From syberghost at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 06:38:37 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (syberghost at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:38:37 +0000
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net><9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <908839476-1219055929-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1253730352-@bxe111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

6 hours with 3G on is common?  My Blackberry has it on 24/7 and the battery lasts 3-4 days.

The koolaid in Apple Land.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:59:34 
To: Central Florida Geeks<cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G





On Aug 17, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Dave Hudson wrote:

> Well, I didn't think I'd be posting this message, but after 1 month  
> of my
> wife using the iPhone 3G, I have decided I don't want one!
>
> To be honest, I am shocked at some of the features that are missing  
> - like
> A2DP support!  WTF!

Everyone knew that with the exception of Dave. I guess you didn't do  
your homework, so don't blame Apple. ;-)

> Every excuse I've seen for lack of features on the iPhone stems from  
> "to
> preserve battery life"..
>
> My wife has gone as far as to turn off 3G because her battery only  
> lasts
> about 6-8 hours with it on.

That's common on every Smartphone using 3G.
>
>
> Give me a break. the iPhone looks cool, but with my BlackJack I can  
> get in
> my car and it connects to my Bluetooth stereo and I can take calls  
> on it as
> well as stream my audio to it.  All I'm ending up with for my wife's  
> iPhone
> is a huge collection of adapters and add-ons to make it do the  
> simple things
> it should.
>
I can do the same... Connectors for what???? I don't have a single  
connector for my iPhone.


Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA

_______________________________________________
cfgeeks mailing list
cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

From cfg at davehudson.net  Mon Aug 18 08:23:32 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:23:32 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net>
	<9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002701c9012d$3b99a190$b2cce4b0$@net>

I don't want to start a downhill rant and war here.... but comments below:

On Aug 17, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Dave Hudson wrote:

> Well, I didn't think I'd be posting this message, but after 1 month  
> of my
> wife using the iPhone 3G, I have decided I don't want one!
>
> To be honest, I am shocked at some of the features that are missing  
> - like
> A2DP support!  WTF!

Everyone knew that with the exception of Dave. I guess you didn't do  
your homework, so don't blame Apple. ;-)

[DH]-->  True - but I also didn't check to see if it supported phone calls.
Being that it is as much a media player (aka ipod) as it is a phone, one
would expect Apple to have this feature built in.

> Every excuse I've seen for lack of features on the iPhone stems from  
> "to
> preserve battery life"..
>
> My wife has gone as far as to turn off 3G because her battery only  
> lasts
> about 6-8 hours with it on.

That's common on every Smartphone using 3G.
[DH]--> Again, I would expect Apple to at least make this more manageable.
Why not give the user "power profiles" - my Pocket PC and SmartPhones have
this.  IMHO, Apple has built design over functionality.  

>
>
> Give me a break. the iPhone looks cool, but with my BlackJack I can  
> get in
> my car and it connects to my Bluetooth stereo and I can take calls  
> on it as
> well as stream my audio to it.  All I'm ending up with for my wife's  
> iPhone
> is a huge collection of adapters and add-ons to make it do the  
> simple things
> it should.
>
I can do the same... Connectors for what???? I don't have a single  
connector for my iPhone.

[DH]--> Connector to support A2DP for starters.  You cannot do the same - I
can play my audio (i.e. music files, youtube, etc) over my Bluetooth
connection to my stereo.   You can't do that with an iPhone without an
adapter.

[DH]-->  Regarding research, the phone is fine for my wife and that is who
we bought it for.  My research has been to analyze her usage and the
problems I might encounter if I want to buy one.  I always research before I
buy.   The whole purpose of my post was really to just air my
disappointment.  The iPhone is touted as being the "new standard" for design
and excellence and I think it falls short in many areas.  It's a great phone
- just not for me.




From john at mayson.us  Mon Aug 18 09:32:25 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:32:25 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] It's A Warcraft Thing
In-Reply-To: <1219030022.6946.0.camel@qward>
References: <1219020850.6630.1.camel@qward>
	<alpine.OSX.1.10.0808172035370.1783@Macintosh.local>
	<1219030022.6946.0.camel@qward>
Message-ID: <6645152a0808180632w6fe55120jf7efd60473d5f2e4@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 20:35 -0500, John Mayson wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:
>>
>> > I'm playing World of Warcraft now.  If anybody plays, I'm mostly on Moon
>> > Guard, either as Gatagis the Orc Hunter or Longstride the Dwarf Paladin.
>>
>> And I thought I had no life.  ;-)
>
> You're just jealous of Gatagis and his faithful Durotar Tiger, "Dog".

My son used to play it, but he got tired of it.

In all seriousness I MIGHT have found it fun when I was a teen.  But
even then I wasn't all that into video games.  I played a little D&D,
but it was more out of bordom than anything else.

I'm not saying I'm better off for it or anything mind you.  I'm sure
my hobbies would bore the pants off of you.  ;-)

John

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From john at mayson.us  Mon Aug 18 09:36:36 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:36:36 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <908839476-1219055929-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1253730352-@bxe111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net>
	<9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>
	<908839476-1219055929-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1253730352-@bxe111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <6645152a0808180636x926c875o907bbf68b162b21d@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 5:38 AM,  <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> 6 hours with 3G on is common?  My Blackberry has it on 24/7 and the battery lasts 3-4 days.
>
> The koolaid in Apple Land.

Albert drank the Kool-Aid, licked the packet, and cracked open Kool
Aid Man's pitcher/skull and sucked on the glass pieces.  Oh yeah,
there are three things you can do to pi$$ off Albert, drive drunk,
speed through his jurisdiction, and breathe one bad word about an
Apple products.

:-)

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From apratts at comcast.net  Mon Aug 18 10:16:30 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:16:30 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <908839476-1219055849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302047422-@bxe111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net><9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>
	<908839476-1219055849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302047422-@bxe111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <4BE68EE2-CCD8-44A7-A396-18037ADE3C0A@comcast.net>

Then again your crackberry doesn't do the same... and yes I have a  
work crackberry and is only good for email.

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Aug 18, 2008, at 6:36 AM, syberghost at gmail.com wrote:

> 6 hours with 3G on is common?  My Blackberry has it on 24/7 and the  
> battery lasts 3-4 days.
>
> The koolaid in Apple Land.
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:59:34
> To: Central Florida Geeks<cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Dave Hudson wrote:
>
>> Well, I didn't think I'd be posting this message, but after 1 month
>> of my
>> wife using the iPhone 3G, I have decided I don't want one!
>>
>> To be honest, I am shocked at some of the features that are missing
>> - like
>> A2DP support!  WTF!
>
> Everyone knew that with the exception of Dave. I guess you didn't do
> your homework, so don't blame Apple. ;-)
>
>> Every excuse I've seen for lack of features on the iPhone stems from
>> "to
>> preserve battery life"..
>>
>> My wife has gone as far as to turn off 3G because her battery only
>> lasts
>> about 6-8 hours with it on.
>
> That's common on every Smartphone using 3G.
>>
>>
>> Give me a break. the iPhone looks cool, but with my BlackJack I can
>> get in
>> my car and it connects to my Bluetooth stereo and I can take calls
>> on it as
>> well as stream my audio to it.  All I'm ending up with for my wife's
>> iPhone
>> is a huge collection of adapters and add-ons to make it do the
>> simple things
>> it should.
>>
> I can do the same... Connectors for what???? I don't have a single
> connector for my iPhone.
>
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From kevin at inscoe.org  Mon Aug 18 10:30:52 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:30:52 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <alpine.GSO.1.10.0808180924340.8852@nyx3.nyx.net>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net>
	<9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>
	<908839476-1219055849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302047422-@bxe111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<4BE68EE2-CCD8-44A7-A396-18037ADE3C0A@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <e8ce78c90808180730h1180320agc398519367a26865@mail.gmail.com>

Why does it have to be a win at all. Why can't it be a technical
merits discussion like it started? This is something I have never
understood this whole ugly child syndrome.

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:24 AM, John Mayson <john at mayson.us> wrote:
> Dave, you will NEVER win an iPhone argument with Albert.  Quit now.  :-)
>
> --
> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>



-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From apratts at comcast.net  Mon Aug 18 10:41:11 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:41:11 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90808180730h1180320agc398519367a26865@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net>
	<9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>
	<908839476-1219055849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302047422-@bxe111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<4BE68EE2-CCD8-44A7-A396-18037ADE3C0A@comcast.net>
	<alpine.GSO.1.10.0808180924340.8852@nyx3.nyx.net>
	<e8ce78c90808180730h1180320agc398519367a26865@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6BF60BA-1668-4BBD-87C5-47F91BE733DF@comcast.net>

I agree. Then everything goes back to read about the product, look for  
reviews, etc.

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Aug 18, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:

> Why does it have to be a win at all. Why can't it be a technical
> merits discussion like it started? This is something I have never
> understood this whole ugly child syndrome.
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:24 AM, John Mayson <john at mayson.us> wrote:
>> Dave, you will NEVER win an iPhone argument with Albert.  Quit  
>> now.  :-)
>>
>> --
>> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
>> Austin, Texas, USA
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
> Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
> Skype: ke3vin
> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
> Clark Powell
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From apratts at comcast.net  Mon Aug 18 10:44:01 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:44:01 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <alpine.GSO.1.10.0808180938450.9521@nyx3.nyx.net>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net>
	<9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>
	<908839476-1219055849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302047422-@bxe111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<4BE68EE2-CCD8-44A7-A396-18037ADE3C0A@comcast.net>
	<alpine.GSO.1.10.0808180924340.8852@nyx3.nyx.net>
	<e8ce78c90808180730h1180320agc398519367a26865@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.GSO.1.10.0808180938450.9521@nyx3.nyx.net>
Message-ID: <20418074-EE3C-410D-B9BD-2457D818B221@comcast.net>

They were discussing the same on Cracky Geeks and they used a similar  
comparison, they used a car vs. Lamborghini.

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Aug 18, 2008, at 10:40 AM, John Mayson wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
>
>> Why does it have to be a win at all. Why can't it be a technical
>> merits discussion like it started? This is something I have never
>> understood this whole ugly child syndrome.
>
> Sometimes comparing an iPhone to something else is like comparing a  
> minivan to a motorcycle.  They're both forms of transportation, but  
> beyond that it's hard to compare them.
>
> John
>
>
> -- 
> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From syberghost at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 10:44:17 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:44:17 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <D6BF60BA-1668-4BBD-87C5-47F91BE733DF@comcast.net>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net>
	<9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>
	<908839476-1219055849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302047422-@bxe111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<4BE68EE2-CCD8-44A7-A396-18037ADE3C0A@comcast.net>
	<alpine.GSO.1.10.0808180924340.8852@nyx3.nyx.net>
	<e8ce78c90808180730h1180320agc398519367a26865@mail.gmail.com>
	<D6BF60BA-1668-4BBD-87C5-47F91BE733DF@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1219070657.17340.2.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 10:41 -0400, Albert Pratts wrote:
> I agree. Then everything goes back to read about the product, look for  
> reviews, etc.

Dave saying "the iPhone sucks because X" in this mailing list is a
review.


-- 
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   Shawn McMahon    | Compact florescents considered
   EIV Consulting   | harmful:
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 13:05:11 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:05:11 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] The Memes Clarice.. tell me about the Meme's...
In-Reply-To: <48A858AC.1080800@inscoe.org>
References: <48A858AC.1080800@inscoe.org>
Message-ID: <1219079111.17340.16.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 12:58 -0400, Kevin P. Inscoe wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> 
> http://www.dipity.com/user/tatercakes/timeline/Internet_Memes/embed_tl

lol; work proxy blocks this site, same "logic" by which they block
Google Docs.


-- 
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   Shawn McMahon    | Compact florescents considered
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From cfg at davehudson.net  Mon Aug 18 13:56:08 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:56:08 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <4BE68EE2-CCD8-44A7-A396-18037ADE3C0A@comcast.net>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net><9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>	<908839476-1219055849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302047422-@bxe111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<4BE68EE2-CCD8-44A7-A396-18037ADE3C0A@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c9015b$b1da5f60$158f1e20$@net>

I have to side with Albert on that one..... I would rather own an iPhone
than a black berry any day!

-----Original Message-----
From: Albert Pratts [mailto:apratts at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:17 AM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G

Then again your crackberry doesn't do the same... and yes I have a  
work crackberry and is only good for email.

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Aug 18, 2008, at 6:36 AM, syberghost at gmail.com wrote:

> 6 hours with 3G on is common?  My Blackberry has it on 24/7 and the  
> battery lasts 3-4 days.
>
> The koolaid in Apple Land.
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:59:34
> To: Central Florida Geeks<cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Dave Hudson wrote:
>
>> Well, I didn't think I'd be posting this message, but after 1 month
>> of my
>> wife using the iPhone 3G, I have decided I don't want one!
>>
>> To be honest, I am shocked at some of the features that are missing
>> - like
>> A2DP support!  WTF!
>
> Everyone knew that with the exception of Dave. I guess you didn't do
> your homework, so don't blame Apple. ;-)
>
>> Every excuse I've seen for lack of features on the iPhone stems from
>> "to
>> preserve battery life"..
>>
>> My wife has gone as far as to turn off 3G because her battery only
>> lasts
>> about 6-8 hours with it on.
>
> That's common on every Smartphone using 3G.
>>
>>
>> Give me a break. the iPhone looks cool, but with my BlackJack I can
>> get in
>> my car and it connects to my Bluetooth stereo and I can take calls
>> on it as
>> well as stream my audio to it.  All I'm ending up with for my wife's
>> iPhone
>> is a huge collection of adapters and add-ons to make it do the
>> simple things
>> it should.
>>
> I can do the same... Connectors for what???? I don't have a single
> connector for my iPhone.
>
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

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From cfg at davehudson.net  Mon Aug 18 13:57:43 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:57:43 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <1219070657.17340.2.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net>	<9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>	<908839476-1219055849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302047422-@bxe111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>	<4BE68EE2-CCD8-44A7-A396-18037ADE3C0A@comcast.net>	<alpine.GSO.1.10.0808180924340.8852@nyx3.nyx.net>	<e8ce78c90808180730h1180320agc398519367a26865@mail.gmail.com>	<D6BF60BA-1668-4BBD-87C5-47F91BE733DF@comcast.net>
	<1219070657.17340.2.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c9015b$ea2450b0$be6cf210$@net>

I never said it sucks - just said I wouldn't buy one as it doesn't live up to my expectations..

-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn McMahon [mailto:syberghost at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:44 AM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G

On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 10:41 -0400, Albert Pratts wrote:
> I agree. Then everything goes back to read about the product, look for 
> reviews, etc.

Dave saying "the iPhone sucks because X" in this mailing list is a review.


--
?
   Shawn McMahon    | Compact florescents considered
   EIV Consulting   | harmful:
 http://www.eiv.com | http://youtube.com/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg



From kevin at inscoe.org  Mon Aug 18 14:16:32 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:16:32 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Death to Compact Disc?
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90808181116r6269fa11k5e36f8efc1b49750@mail.gmail.com>

Noooo! Dynamic range is bad enough to be stuck in digital downloads!! Ahhhh!

http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/08/happy-birthday.html

-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From syberghost at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 14:21:20 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:21:20 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <000c01c9015b$b1da5f60$158f1e20$@net>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net>
	<9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>
	<908839476-1219055849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302047422-@bxe111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<4BE68EE2-CCD8-44A7-A396-18037ADE3C0A@comcast.net>
	<000c01c9015b$b1da5f60$158f1e20$@net>
Message-ID: <1219083680.17340.44.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 13:56 -0400, Dave Hudson wrote:
> I have to side with Albert on that one..... I would rather own an iPhone
> than a black berry any day!

Okey-doke; meanwhile my battery still lasts 3 to 4 days, even with 3G
enabled 24/7.  Even logged into Google Talk and pulling four email
accounts, including this one.  The fact that iPhone folks think 6 to 8
hours is normal is important.

I charge my phone every night; if I forget it's not a big deal.  If I
forget two nights in a row, I charge an hour or so when I get to work,
just in case.  Sounds like iPhone folks need to spend the workday
tethered.


-- 
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   Shawn McMahon    | Compact florescents considered
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From apratts at comcast.net  Mon Aug 18 14:41:14 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:41:14 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] No Go on the iPhone 3G
In-Reply-To: <1219083680.17340.44.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <003e01c900a7$59f9c790$0ded56b0$@net>
	<9544593A-A215-4753-B8CB-047E34D501DB@comcast.net>
	<908839476-1219055849-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-302047422-@bxe111.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<4BE68EE2-CCD8-44A7-A396-18037ADE3C0A@comcast.net>
	<000c01c9015b$b1da5f60$158f1e20$@net>
	<1219083680.17340.44.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <CC9CF6B9-BBD1-47CE-A036-B6059DCAA300@comcast.net>

I have the 1st generation iPhone and I can leave it 3 days without  
charge it.  BTW, Apple fixed the previous battery problem with  
updating the firmware.

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Aug 18, 2008, at 2:21 PM, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 13:56 -0400, Dave Hudson wrote:
>> I have to side with Albert on that one..... I would rather own an  
>> iPhone
>> than a black berry any day!
>
> Okey-doke; meanwhile my battery still lasts 3 to 4 days, even with 3G
> enabled 24/7.  Even logged into Google Talk and pulling four email
> accounts, including this one.  The fact that iPhone folks think 6 to 8
> hours is normal is important.
>
> I charge my phone every night; if I forget it's not a big deal.  If I
> forget two nights in a row, I charge an hour or so when I get to work,
> just in case.  Sounds like iPhone folks need to spend the workday
> tethered.
>
>
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 15:14:38 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:14:38 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] OMG UFOs!
Message-ID: <1219086878.17340.53.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

http://current.com/items/89204971_death_star_over_san_francisco


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From syberghost at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 15:22:21 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:22:21 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] OMG UFOs!
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http://current.com/items/89204971_death_star_over_san_francisco


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