From apratts at comcast.net  Tue Jan  1 00:00:02 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 00:00:02 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Happy New Year!
Message-ID: <004CB7AF-6F7F-4446-BFC9-98E50C14F3FD@comcast.net>

Happy New Year!

Albert & Family

Sent from my iPhone

From john at mayson.us  Tue Jan  1 00:27:52 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:27:52 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Happy New Year!
In-Reply-To: <004CB7AF-6F7F-4446-BFC9-98E50C14F3FD@comcast.net>
References: <004CB7AF-6F7F-4446-BFC9-98E50C14F3FD@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6645152a0712312127s30c1f104s29e474b85bc89b8@mail.gmail.com>

Dude!  It's still an hour away.  :-P

And why aren't you out patrolling?


-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Tue Jan  1 05:00:34 2008
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 05:00:34 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Happy New Year!
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0712312127s30c1f104s29e474b85bc89b8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004CB7AF-6F7F-4446-BFC9-98E50C14F3FD@comcast.net>
	<6645152a0712312127s30c1f104s29e474b85bc89b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200801010500.34686.slitt@troubleshooters.com>

On Tuesday 01 January 2008 00:27, John Mayson wrote:
> Dude!  It's still an hour away.  :-P
>
> And why aren't you out patrolling?

He arrested me and we're at the donut shop.

SteveT

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jan  1 11:51:38 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 11:51:38 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Time to bone up, people...
Message-ID: <7006069B-0B72-41AE-B0AA-0FD27444766D@cfl.rr.com>

FYI:

http://www.hamcation.com/testing.html



From cfg at davehudson.net  Tue Jan  1 11:57:15 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 11:57:15 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Happy New Year
Message-ID: <002701c84c97$5cfcc060$2201a8c0@davehp64>

Happy New Year to everyone.



From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jan  1 12:01:44 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:01:44 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Swap Table @ hamcation
Message-ID: <74F4BC3C-B333-49E5-9D35-60627FDE51B9@cfl.rr.com>

I'll have one, will be trying to get rid of a LOT of  junque,  
splitting it halfsies with another guy at work wanting to do the same.

http://www.hamcation.com/swaps.html


From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jan  1 12:37:47 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:37:47 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] The Apple is rising...
Message-ID: <DEB5D03B-7461-48C6-A535-6EBD60A016C9@cfl.rr.com>

http://tinyurl.com/2c6w63



From apratts at comcast.net  Tue Jan  1 14:34:09 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:34:09 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Happy New Year!
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0712312127s30c1f104s29e474b85bc89b8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004CB7AF-6F7F-4446-BFC9-98E50C14F3FD@comcast.net>
	<6645152a0712312127s30c1f104s29e474b85bc89b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6EAE038D-15E6-4AAC-9C6B-2783F9925A00@comcast.net>

Because we are better than TX.

Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:27 AM, "John Mayson" <john at mayson.us> wrote:

> Dude!  It's still an hour away.  :-P
>
> And why aren't you out patrolling?
>
>
> -- 
> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA

From apratts at comcast.net  Tue Jan  1 14:37:18 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:37:18 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Happy New Year!
In-Reply-To: <200801010500.34686.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
References: <004CB7AF-6F7F-4446-BFC9-98E50C14F3FD@comcast.net>
	<6645152a0712312127s30c1f104s29e474b85bc89b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200801010500.34686.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
Message-ID: <93E00EC3-A7C4-4889-BE0D-4406FE6E7E8B@comcast.net>

This morning I worked the fist traffic fatality of 2008.

Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 1, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com>  
wrote:

> On Tuesday 01 January 2008 00:27, John Mayson wrote:
>> Dude!  It's still an hour away.  :-P
>>
>> And why aren't you out patrolling?
>
> He arrested me and we're at the donut shop.
>
> SteveT
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

From kmk at sanitarium.net  Tue Jan  1 14:40:11 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:40:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] Happy New Year!
In-Reply-To: <93E00EC3-A7C4-4889-BE0D-4406FE6E7E8B@comcast.net>
References: <004CB7AF-6F7F-4446-BFC9-98E50C14F3FD@comcast.net>
	<6645152a0712312127s30c1f104s29e474b85bc89b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200801010500.34686.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<93E00EC3-A7C4-4889-BE0D-4406FE6E7E8B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801011439590.26224@asylum.sanitarium.net>

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Heard we also had our first murder already last night :(

- -- 
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 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
 	PGP public key available on web site.
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:

> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:37:18 -0500
> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Cc: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Happy New Year!
> 
> This morning I worked the fist traffic fatality of 2008.
>
> Albert
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 1, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday 01 January 2008 00:27, John Mayson wrote:
>>> Dude!  It's still an hour away.  :-P
>>>
>>> And why aren't you out patrolling?
>>
>> He arrested me and we're at the donut shop.
>>
>> SteveT
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
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From john at mayson.us  Tue Jan  1 15:16:39 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:16:39 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] And San Antonio's first traffic fatality of 2008 was...
Message-ID: <6645152a0801011216v2286c3ecs5f94fc8c0b3185c@mail.gmail.com>

A city fire truck hit and killed a woman in a wheelchair.  They didn't
realize anything was wrong until they found a wheelchair stuck to
their brush truck.

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jan  1 21:23:13 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:23:13 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Well back to the grind tomorrow
Message-ID: <6C717415-A612-4C73-9195-66DB27BE3D19@cfl.rr.com>

:)

From apratts at comcast.net  Tue Jan  1 22:32:25 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:32:25 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Well back to the grind tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <6C717415-A612-4C73-9195-66DB27BE3D19@cfl.rr.com>
References: <6C717415-A612-4C73-9195-66DB27BE3D19@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <464515C3-F630-48D1-8DFF-5F0C7D639000@comcast.net>

Well, I'm done for the next few days. I'm off until next Monday at 3PM.

Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 1, 2008, at 9:23 PM, Gilbert Young <gjyoung at cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> :)
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

From john at mayson.us  Wed Jan  2 00:36:29 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:36:29 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] IHBRATT: CompUSA Liquidation Scam: Double The Price,
	Then Knock Off 15%
Message-ID: <D11D0490-B3EA-4513-B504-B6243F265BBC@mayson.us>


http://consumerist.com/338276/compusa-liquidation-scam-double-the- 
price-then-knock-off-15



--
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA


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From kc4zvw at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  2 00:39:20 2008
From: kc4zvw at earthlink.net (David Billsbrough)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:39:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] Happy New Year!
In-Reply-To: <6EAE038D-15E6-4AAC-9C6B-2783F9925A00@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E1J9wK0-0000XI-GU@debian.oau.org>

Albert Pratts wrote:

> Because we are better than TX.
 
 
> On Jan 1, 2008, at 12:27 AM, "John Mayson" <john at mayson.us> wrote:
 
>> Dude!  It's still an hour away.  :-P
>> And why aren't you out patrolling?

Hey j.mason!

 ... and we are in a different time zone.  Go take a nap!

73,

David
-- 
David Billsbrough (KC4ZVW)
Chuluota, Florida  grid: EL98kp
AVR * Duckworks * FreeBSD * Linux * PICmicro * QRP * TAPR

From kmk at sanitarium.net  Wed Jan  2 00:55:44 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:55:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] IHBRATT: CompUSA Liquidation Scam: Double The Price,
 Then Knock Off 15%
In-Reply-To: <D11D0490-B3EA-4513-B504-B6243F265BBC@mayson.us>
References: <D11D0490-B3EA-4513-B504-B6243F265BBC@mayson.us>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801020055070.15197@asylum.sanitarium.net>

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I went there 2 weeks ago.  They had 30% off on everything and even the
stuff with an additional 15% off was still way over priced.

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 	Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
 	PGP public key available on web site.
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, John Mayson wrote:

> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 23:36:29 -0600
> From: John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: [cfgeeks] IHBRATT: CompUSA Liquidation Scam: Double The Price,
>     Then Knock Off 15%
> 
>
> http://consumerist.com/338276/compusa-liquidation-scam-double-the-price-then-knock-off-15
>
>
>
> --
> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA
>
>
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Wed Jan  2 07:39:51 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 07:39:51 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Swap Table @ hamcation
In-Reply-To: <74F4BC3C-B333-49E5-9D35-60627FDE51B9@cfl.rr.com>
References: <74F4BC3C-B333-49E5-9D35-60627FDE51B9@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <477B8617.6010902@inscoe.org>

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Gilbert Young wrote:
> I'll have one, will be trying to get rid of a LOT of  junque,  
> splitting it halfsies with another guy at work wanting to do the same.
> 
> http://www.hamcation.com/swaps.html

Do you  have a catalog?

- --
Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
GPG 0x61288D53                                          Skype: ke3vin













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From john at mayson.us  Wed Jan  2 08:56:10 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 07:56:10 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] IHBRATT: CompUSA Liquidation Scam: Double The Price,
	Then Knock Off 15%
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801020055070.15197@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <D11D0490-B3EA-4513-B504-B6243F265BBC@mayson.us>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0801020055070.15197@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <6645152a0801020556w42d5d62fob2b32fabd45481cb@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/1/08, Kevin Korb <kmk at sanitarium.net> wrote:
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> I went there 2 weeks ago.  They had 30% off on everything and even the
> stuff with an additional 15% off was still way over priced.

They keep lowering their price on the Nokia N810 even though they
don't have any not will they get any more in.  I'm sure that's the
corporate-wide price and this store isn't really that stupid.

But yeah, their prices are still too high.

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From syberghost at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 09:24:39 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:24:39 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] IHBRATT: CompUSA Liquidation Scam: Double The Price,
	Then Knock Off 15%
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0801020556w42d5d62fob2b32fabd45481cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D11D0490-B3EA-4513-B504-B6243F265BBC@mayson.us>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0801020055070.15197@asylum.sanitarium.net>
	<6645152a0801020556w42d5d62fob2b32fabd45481cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1199283879.7841.2.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 07:56 -0600, John Mayson wrote:
>
> They keep lowering their price on the Nokia N810 even though they
> don't have any not will they get any more in.  I'm sure that's the
> corporate-wide price and this store isn't really that stupid.

Good morning, Mr. Mayson.  Your mission, if you choose to accept it:

Go in and find something fairly cheap.  Put it on lay-away.  Don't pick
it up before the store closes.  Write to them demanding your
merchandise.  See how long it takes to resolve and estimate how much it
cost them.  Blog a complete report, with updates here.

This email will self-destruct in 12 parsecs.  <- hey, if Lucas can do
it, so can I.
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From cfg at davehudson.net  Wed Jan  2 11:37:21 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:37:21 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] IHBRATT: CompUSA Liquidation Scam: Double The Price,
	Then Knock Off 15%
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0801020556w42d5d62fob2b32fabd45481cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003301c84d5d$bfce1330$2201a8c0@davehp64>

Hence why they are going out of business... too expensive, crap service....
perfect business model.... 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Mayson [mailto:john at mayson.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:56 AM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] IHBRATT: CompUSA Liquidation Scam: Double The
Price,Then Knock Off 15%

On 1/1/08, Kevin Korb <kmk at sanitarium.net> wrote:
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> Hash: SHA1
>
> I went there 2 weeks ago.  They had 30% off on everything and even the 
> stuff with an additional 15% off was still way over priced.

They keep lowering their price on the Nokia N810 even though they don't have
any not will they get any more in.  I'm sure that's the corporate-wide price
and this store isn't really that stupid.

But yeah, their prices are still too high.

--
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA
_______________________________________________
cfgeeks mailing list
cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Wed Jan  2 11:32:28 2008
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:32:28 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] IHBRATT: CompUSA Liquidation Scam: Double The Price,
	Then Knock Off 15%
In-Reply-To: <D11D0490-B3EA-4513-B504-B6243F265BBC@mayson.us>
References: <D11D0490-B3EA-4513-B504-B6243F265BBC@mayson.us>
Message-ID: <200801021132.29179.slitt@troubleshooters.com>

On Wednesday 02 January 2008 00:36, John Mayson wrote:
> http://consumerist.com/338276/compusa-liquidation-scam-double-the-
> price-then-knock-off-15

I would expect nothing less from CompUSA. I'm sooooo glad they're history.

SteveT
 
Steve Litt
Author: Universal Troubleshooting Process books and courseware
http://www.troubleshooters.com/


From syberghost at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 11:55:10 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 11:55:10 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] No you can not has access
Message-ID: <1199292910.7841.7.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

old files = NOT YOURS

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/01/137257
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From cfg at davehudson.net  Wed Jan  2 12:12:33 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:12:33 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] No you can not has access
In-Reply-To: <1199292910.7841.7.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c84d62$ab666f50$2201a8c0@davehp64>

 That's why, about 2 years ago, i started using p2v to take all my old
"decommissioned" machines OS's and ghost them over to a virtual machine.  In
20 years from now, i'll have a thriving business converting old docs for
people ;-)

And in case you're wondering (probably not), I got bit by this one years ago
with a bunch of docs in a Tandy Word processing program so i've learned my
lesson!

-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn McMahon [mailto:syberghost at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:55 AM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: [cfgeeks] No you can not has access

old files = NOT YOURS

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/01/137257


From cfg at davehudson.net  Wed Jan  2 12:14:58 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:14:58 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Montana State Trooper (IAAlbertT)
Message-ID: <000e01c84d63$06be8770$2201a8c0@davehp64>

Don't know if its true, but either way, a funny read.....
 
http://davehudson.net/share/images/montana_trooper.JPG


From kevin at inscoe.org  Wed Jan  2 13:18:53 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:18:53 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] No you can not has access
In-Reply-To: <1199292910.7841.7.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <1199292910.7841.7.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90801021018qd78a1e1pdf90b64c56784438@mail.gmail.com>

Wow Quatro Pro... I haven't made a Quatro Pro file since ohhh like 1994.

On Jan 2, 2008 11:55 AM, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> old files = NOT YOURS
>
> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/01/137257
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
>



-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin

From john at mayson.us  Wed Jan  2 14:28:17 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:28:17 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Oh give me a fscking break!
Message-ID: <6645152a0801021128l77b04f15sdf8dff8ea59fdfa5@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/weather/orl-bk-weather010208,0,6673205.story?coll=orl_tab01_layout

It gets a little cool and you declare a state of emergency?  Is the
governor worried about his tan?

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From apratts at comcast.net  Wed Jan  2 15:08:31 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:08:31 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
Message-ID: <D5F59C1F-B494-4B83-87DD-D068DFF76D6A@comcast.net>

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140751-c,ces/article.html

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



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From apratts at comcast.net  Wed Jan  2 15:12:29 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:12:29 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] F.B.I. Brings a Fresh Set of Eyes to a '71 Plane
	Hijacking Mystery
Message-ID: <040C8A07-A1A2-4A7E-81DE-645E668A7DB1@comcast.net>

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/us/02missing.html?em&ex=1199422800&en=8f6f012267620b48&ei=5087%0A

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



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From apratts at comcast.net  Wed Jan  2 15:14:10 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:14:10 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Government Puts Restrictions On Lithium Batteries on
	Flights
Message-ID: <C1FBC25A-8A79-4D26-8571-CDD72B8A0E59@comcast.net>

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119911051123859361.html

Albert Pratts
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 15:16:10 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:16:10 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
In-Reply-To: <D5F59C1F-B494-4B83-87DD-D068DFF76D6A@comcast.net>
References: <D5F59C1F-B494-4B83-87DD-D068DFF76D6A@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1199304970.7841.9.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:08 -0500, Albert Pratts wrote:
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140751-c,ces/article.html

So how does it work? You can apply for up to two $40 coupons per household, either by visiting the official site launched on January 1, http://www.dtv2009.gov/, or calling 888-DTV-2009. Printed applications will also be available at post offices and at public libraries, in English, Spanish, and other languages.

Starting February 18, 2008, the government will send coupons by U.S.
mail in the form of a gift card that consumers can use at electronics
retailers that sell the digital-to-analog converter boxes. You'll have
approximately three months to redeem the coupon.

So far, only Digital Stream, LG Electronics, and Philips have converter
boxes that are approved by the NTIA, and only LG and Philips have
announced actual products. The boxes are expected to cost between $59
and $69 dollars.



Hmmm, and then return those boxes to the store and use that $80 on
something cool...
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From apratts at comcast.net  Wed Jan  2 15:24:42 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:24:42 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] IAAT
Message-ID: <BD564A0A-ADE7-4CFF-A124-15124A18FA4B@comcast.net>

http://ultimateears.com/_ultimateears/products/superfi/superfi4vi_description.php

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



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From apratts at comcast.net  Wed Jan  2 15:24:00 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:24:00 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
In-Reply-To: <1199304970.7841.9.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <D5F59C1F-B494-4B83-87DD-D068DFF76D6A@comcast.net>
	<1199304970.7841.9.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <70C69BB8-9DEA-4204-B7CA-E016F12AED8B@comcast.net>

Since all my house TV's are HDTV.... I was thinking the same... ;-)

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:08 -0500, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140751-c,ces/article.html
>
> So how does it work? You can apply for up to two $40 coupons per  
> household, either by visiting the official site launched on January  
> 1, http://www.dtv2009.gov/, or calling 888-DTV-2009. Printed  
> applications will also be available at post offices and at public  
> libraries, in English, Spanish, and other languages.
>
> Starting February 18, 2008, the government will send coupons by U.S.
> mail in the form of a gift card that consumers can use at electronics
> retailers that sell the digital-to-analog converter boxes. You'll have
> approximately three months to redeem the coupon.
>
> So far, only Digital Stream, LG Electronics, and Philips have  
> converter
> boxes that are approved by the NTIA, and only LG and Philips have
> announced actual products. The boxes are expected to cost between $59
> and $69 dollars.
>
>
>
> Hmmm, and then return those boxes to the store and use that $80 on
> something cool...
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

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From kmk at sanitarium.net  Wed Jan  2 15:27:57 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:27:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
In-Reply-To: <1199304970.7841.9.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <D5F59C1F-B494-4B83-87DD-D068DFF76D6A@comcast.net>
	<1199304970.7841.9.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021527260.7618@asylum.sanitarium.net>

Wow, I thought this was just the government defauding the tax payers but
now we have the opportunity to defraud the government too!

-- 
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
 	Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
 	PGP public key available on web site.
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:16:10 -0500
> From: Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>
> To: cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
> 
> On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:08 -0500, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140751-c,ces/article.html
>
> So how does it work? You can apply for up to two $40 coupons per household, either by visiting the official site launched on January 1, http://www.dtv2009.gov/, or calling 888-DTV-2009. Printed applications will also be available at post offices and at public libraries, in English, Spanish, and other languages.
>
> Starting February 18, 2008, the government will send coupons by U.S.
> mail in the form of a gift card that consumers can use at electronics
> retailers that sell the digital-to-analog converter boxes. You'll have
> approximately three months to redeem the coupon.
>
> So far, only Digital Stream, LG Electronics, and Philips have converter
> boxes that are approved by the NTIA, and only LG and Philips have
> announced actual products. The boxes are expected to cost between $59
> and $69 dollars.
>
>
>
> Hmmm, and then return those boxes to the store and use that $80 on
> something cool...
>

From apratts at comcast.net  Wed Jan  2 15:30:19 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:30:19 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021527260.7618@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <D5F59C1F-B494-4B83-87DD-D068DFF76D6A@comcast.net>
	<1199304970.7841.9.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021527260.7618@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <D31533F6-37B7-4734-B6DB-7B9151530F2E@comcast.net>

The government is helping cheap people like John Mayson to stay up  
with technology...  :-P

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:

> Wow, I thought this was just the government defauding the tax payers  
> but
> now we have the opportunity to defraud the government too!
>
> -- 
> ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
> 	Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
> 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
> 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
> 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
> 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
> 	PGP public key available on web site.
> ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:16:10 -0500
>> From: Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>
>> To: cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
>>
>> On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:08 -0500, Albert Pratts wrote:
>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140751-c,ces/article.html
>>
>> So how does it work? You can apply for up to two $40 coupons per  
>> household, either by visiting the official site launched on January  
>> 1, http://www.dtv2009.gov/, or calling 888-DTV-2009. Printed  
>> applications will also be available at post offices and at public  
>> libraries, in English, Spanish, and other languages.
>>
>> Starting February 18, 2008, the government will send coupons by U.S.
>> mail in the form of a gift card that consumers can use at electronics
>> retailers that sell the digital-to-analog converter boxes. You'll  
>> have
>> approximately three months to redeem the coupon.
>>
>> So far, only Digital Stream, LG Electronics, and Philips have  
>> converter
>> boxes that are approved by the NTIA, and only LG and Philips have
>> announced actual products. The boxes are expected to cost between $59
>> and $69 dollars.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hmmm, and then return those boxes to the store and use that $80 on
>> something cool...
>>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

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From kmk at sanitarium.net  Wed Jan  2 15:32:05 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:32:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
In-Reply-To: <D31533F6-37B7-4734-B6DB-7B9151530F2E@comcast.net>
References: <D5F59C1F-B494-4B83-87DD-D068DFF76D6A@comcast.net>
	<1199304970.7841.9.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021527260.7618@asylum.sanitarium.net>
	<D31533F6-37B7-4734-B6DB-7B9151530F2E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021531520.8023@asylum.sanitarium.net>

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And as a tax payer that is my responsibility how?

- -- 
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
 	Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
 	PGP public key available on web site.
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:

> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:30:19 -0500
> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
> 
> The government is helping cheap people like John Mayson to stay up with 
> technology...  :-P
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>
>> Wow, I thought this was just the government defauding the tax payers but
>> now we have the opportunity to defraud the government too!
>> 
>> -- 
>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>  Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>>  Systems Administrator		Internet:
>>  FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>>  Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>>  Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>>  PGP public key available on web site.
>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> 
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:
>> 
>> > Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:16:10 -0500
>> > From: Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>
>> > To: cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> > Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
>> > 
>> > On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:08 -0500, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140751-c,ces/article.html
>> > 
>> > So how does it work? You can apply for up to two $40 coupons per 
>> > household, either by visiting the official site launched on January 1, 
>> > http://www.dtv2009.gov/, or calling 888-DTV-2009. Printed applications 
>> > will also be available at post offices and at public libraries, in 
>> > English, Spanish, and other languages.
>> > 
>> > Starting February 18, 2008, the government will send coupons by U.S.
>> > mail in the form of a gift card that consumers can use at electronics
>> > retailers that sell the digital-to-analog converter boxes. You'll have
>> > approximately three months to redeem the coupon.
>> > 
>> > So far, only Digital Stream, LG Electronics, and Philips have converter
>> > boxes that are approved by the NTIA, and only LG and Philips have
>> > announced actual products. The boxes are expected to cost between $59
>> > and $69 dollars.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Hmmm, and then return those boxes to the store and use that $80 on
>> > something cool...
>> > 
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
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From apratts at comcast.net  Wed Jan  2 15:31:59 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:31:59 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Lawyer: Ripping MP3s Illegal, Grounds for Lawsuit
Message-ID: <B82BB3C5-5AA1-402E-B119-4ADF0F5C9A60@comcast.net>

and people still ask me why I hate attorneys.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,319276,00.html

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



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From syberghost at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 15:33:53 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:33:53 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021527260.7618@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <D5F59C1F-B494-4B83-87DD-D068DFF76D6A@comcast.net>
	<1199304970.7841.9.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021527260.7618@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <1199306033.7841.11.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:27 -0500, Kevin Korb wrote:
> Wow, I thought this was just the government defauding the tax payers but
> now we have the opportunity to defraud the government too!

It's the circle of life, my friend.
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From apratts at comcast.net  Wed Jan  2 15:35:17 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:35:17 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021531520.8023@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <D5F59C1F-B494-4B83-87DD-D068DFF76D6A@comcast.net>
	<1199304970.7841.9.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021527260.7618@asylum.sanitarium.net>
	<D31533F6-37B7-4734-B6DB-7B9151530F2E@comcast.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021531520.8023@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <F1E96D2A-97CA-42EF-B0EF-BE386650E855@comcast.net>

We been here before...  Do you really believe you are paying for this?  
Do you really believe that all the $$$ comes from tax payers?

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:

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> And as a tax payer that is my responsibility how?
>
> - --
> ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
> 	Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
> 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
> 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
> 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
> 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
> 	PGP public key available on web site.
> ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:30:19 -0500
>> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
>>
>> The government is helping cheap people like John Mayson to stay up  
>> with
>> technology...  :-P
>>
>> Albert Pratts
>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, I thought this was just the government defauding the tax  
>>> payers but
>>> now we have the opportunity to defraud the government too!
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
>>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>> Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>>> Systems Administrator		Internet:
>>> FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>>> Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>>> Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>>> PGP public key available on web site.
>>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
>>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:16:10 -0500
>>>> From: Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>
>>>> To: cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From  
>>>> Analog TV
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:08 -0500, Albert Pratts wrote:
>>>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140751-c,ces/article.html
>>>>
>>>> So how does it work? You can apply for up to two $40 coupons per
>>>> household, either by visiting the official site launched on  
>>>> January 1,
>>>> http://www.dtv2009.gov/, or calling 888-DTV-2009. Printed  
>>>> applications
>>>> will also be available at post offices and at public libraries, in
>>>> English, Spanish, and other languages.
>>>>
>>>> Starting February 18, 2008, the government will send coupons by  
>>>> U.S.
>>>> mail in the form of a gift card that consumers can use at  
>>>> electronics
>>>> retailers that sell the digital-to-analog converter boxes. You'll  
>>>> have
>>>> approximately three months to redeem the coupon.
>>>>
>>>> So far, only Digital Stream, LG Electronics, and Philips have  
>>>> converter
>>>> boxes that are approved by the NTIA, and only LG and Philips have
>>>> announced actual products. The boxes are expected to cost between  
>>>> $59
>>>> and $69 dollars.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm, and then return those boxes to the store and use that $80 on
>>>> something cool...
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cfgeeks mailing list
>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>
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From apratts at comcast.net  Wed Jan  2 15:35:52 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:35:52 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
In-Reply-To: <1199306033.7841.11.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <D5F59C1F-B494-4B83-87DD-D068DFF76D6A@comcast.net>
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There you go....LOL

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:27 -0500, Kevin Korb wrote:
>> Wow, I thought this was just the government defauding the tax  
>> payers but
>> now we have the opportunity to defraud the government too!
>
> It's the circle of life, my friend.
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From kmk at sanitarium.net  Wed Jan  2 15:37:14 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:37:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
In-Reply-To: <F1E96D2A-97CA-42EF-B0EF-BE386650E855@comcast.net>
References: <D5F59C1F-B494-4B83-87DD-D068DFF76D6A@comcast.net>
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Even if the tax payers are only paying 1 cent each it is too much.
Even if we are only paying for the government entity handling the
program it is too much.

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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:

> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:35:17 -0500
> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
> 
> We been here before...  Do you really believe you are paying for this? Do you 
> really believe that all the $$$ comes from tax payers?
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>
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>> And as a tax payer that is my responsibility how?
>> 
>> - --
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>>  Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>>  Systems Administrator		Internet:
>>  FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>>  Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>>  Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>>  PGP public key available on web site.
>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> 
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> 
>> > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:30:19 -0500
>> > From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>> > To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
>> > 
>> > The government is helping cheap people like John Mayson to stay up with
>> > technology...  :-P
>> > 
>> > Albert Pratts
>> > Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Wow, I thought this was just the government defauding the tax payers 
>> > > but
>> > > now we have the opportunity to defraud the government too!
>> > > 
>> > > -- 
>> > > ~  *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> > > Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>> > > Systems Administrator		Internet:
>> > > FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>> > > Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>> > > Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>> > > PGP public key available on web site.
>> > > ~  *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> > > 
>> > > On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > > Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:16:10 -0500
>> > > > From: Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>
>> > > > To: cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> > > > Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
>> > > > 
>> > > > On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:08 -0500, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> > > > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140751-c,ces/article.html
>> > > > 
>> > > > So how does it work? You can apply for up to two $40 coupons per
>> > > > household, either by visiting the official site launched on January 
>> > > > 1,
>> > > > http://www.dtv2009.gov/, or calling 888-DTV-2009. Printed 
>> > > > applications
>> > > > will also be available at post offices and at public libraries, in
>> > > > English, Spanish, and other languages.
>> > > > 
>> > > > Starting February 18, 2008, the government will send coupons by U.S.
>> > > > mail in the form of a gift card that consumers can use at electronics
>> > > > retailers that sell the digital-to-analog converter boxes. You'll 
>> > > > have
>> > > > approximately three months to redeem the coupon.
>> > > > 
>> > > > So far, only Digital Stream, LG Electronics, and Philips have 
>> > > > converter
>> > > > boxes that are approved by the NTIA, and only LG and Philips have
>> > > > announced actual products. The boxes are expected to cost between $59
>> > > > and $69 dollars.
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > Hmmm, and then return those boxes to the store and use that $80 on
>> > > > something cool...
>> > > > 
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > cfgeeks mailing list
>> > > cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> > > http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>> > 
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From apratts at comcast.net  Wed Jan  2 15:38:50 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:38:50 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021536300.8480@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <D5F59C1F-B494-4B83-87DD-D068DFF76D6A@comcast.net>
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Oh please... wake up...

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:

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> Even if the tax payers are only paying 1 cent each it is too much.
> Even if we are only paying for the government entity handling the
> program it is too much.
>
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> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
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> 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
> 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
> 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
> 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
> 	PGP public key available on web site.
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> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
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> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:35:17 -0500
>> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
>>
>> We been here before...  Do you really believe you are paying for  
>> this? Do you
>> really believe that all the $$$ comes from tax payers?
>>
>> Albert Pratts
>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>>
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>>> And as a tax payer that is my responsibility how?
>>>
>>> - --
>>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
>>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>> Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>>> Systems Administrator		Internet:
>>> FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>>> Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>>> Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>>> PGP public key available on web site.
>>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
>>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:30:19 -0500
>>>> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>>>> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From  
>>>> Analog TV
>>>>
>>>> The government is helping cheap people like John Mayson to stay  
>>>> up with
>>>> technology...  :-P
>>>>
>>>> Albert Pratts
>>>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wow, I thought this was just the government defauding the tax  
>>>>> payers
>>>>> but
>>>>> now we have the opportunity to defraud the government too!
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> ~  *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
>>>>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>>>> Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>>>>> Systems Administrator		Internet:
>>>>> FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>>>>> Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>>>>> Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>>>>> PGP public key available on web site.
>>>>> ~  *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
>>>>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:16:10 -0500
>>>>>> From: Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From  
>>>>>> Analog TV
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:08 -0500, Albert Pratts wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140751-c,ces/article.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So how does it work? You can apply for up to two $40 coupons per
>>>>>> household, either by visiting the official site launched on  
>>>>>> January
>>>>>> 1,
>>>>>> http://www.dtv2009.gov/, or calling 888-DTV-2009. Printed
>>>>>> applications
>>>>>> will also be available at post offices and at public libraries,  
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> English, Spanish, and other languages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Starting February 18, 2008, the government will send coupons by  
>>>>>> U.S.
>>>>>> mail in the form of a gift card that consumers can use at  
>>>>>> electronics
>>>>>> retailers that sell the digital-to-analog converter boxes. You'll
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> approximately three months to redeem the coupon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far, only Digital Stream, LG Electronics, and Philips have
>>>>>> converter
>>>>>> boxes that are approved by the NTIA, and only LG and Philips have
>>>>>> announced actual products. The boxes are expected to cost  
>>>>>> between $59
>>>>>> and $69 dollars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm, and then return those boxes to the store and use that $80  
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> something cool...
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> cfgeeks mailing list
>>>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>>>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>>>
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From kmk at sanitarium.net  Wed Jan  2 15:40:11 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:40:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
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You mean bend over and take it?

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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:

> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:38:50 -0500
> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
> 
> Oh please... wake up...
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>> Even if the tax payers are only paying 1 cent each it is too much.
>> Even if we are only paying for the government entity handling the
>> program it is too much.
>> 
>> - --
>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>  Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>>  Systems Administrator		Internet:
>>  FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>>  Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>>  Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>>  PGP public key available on web site.
>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> 
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> 
>> > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:35:17 -0500
>> > From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>> > To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
>> > 
>> > We been here before...  Do you really believe you are paying for this? Do 
>> > you
>> > really believe that all the $$$ comes from tax payers?
>> > 
>> > Albert Pratts
>> > Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>> > 
>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>> > > 
>> > > And as a tax payer that is my responsibility how?
>> > > 
>> > > - --
>> > > ~  *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> > > Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>> > > Systems Administrator		Internet:
>> > > FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>> > > Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>> > > Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>> > > PGP public key available on web site.
>> > > ~  *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> > > 
>> > > On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:30:19 -0500
>> > > > From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>> > > > To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>> > > > Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
>> > > > 
>> > > > The government is helping cheap people like John Mayson to stay up 
>> > > > with
>> > > > technology...  :-P
>> > > > 
>> > > > Albert Pratts
>> > > > Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>> > > > 
>> > > > > Wow, I thought this was just the government defauding the tax 
>> > > > > payers
>> > > > > but
>> > > > > now we have the opportunity to defraud the government too!
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > -- 
>> > > > > ~   *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> > > > > Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>> > > > > Systems Administrator		Internet:
>> > > > > FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>> > > > > Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>> > > > > Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>> > > > > PGP public key available on web site.
>> > > > > ~   *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > > Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:16:10 -0500
>> > > > > > From: Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>
>> > > > > > To: cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From 
>> > > > > > Analog TV
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:08 -0500, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> > > > > > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140751-c,ces/article.html
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > So how does it work? You can apply for up to two $40 coupons per
>> > > > > > household, either by visiting the official site launched on 
>> > > > > > January
>> > > > > > 1,
>> > > > > > http://www.dtv2009.gov/, or calling 888-DTV-2009. Printed
>> > > > > > applications
>> > > > > > will also be available at post offices and at public libraries, 
>> > > > > > in
>> > > > > > English, Spanish, and other languages.
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > Starting February 18, 2008, the government will send coupons by 
>> > > > > > U.S.
>> > > > > > mail in the form of a gift card that consumers can use at 
>> > > > > > electronics
>> > > > > > retailers that sell the digital-to-analog converter boxes. You'll
>> > > > > > have
>> > > > > > approximately three months to redeem the coupon.
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > So far, only Digital Stream, LG Electronics, and Philips have
>> > > > > > converter
>> > > > > > boxes that are approved by the NTIA, and only LG and Philips have
>> > > > > > announced actual products. The boxes are expected to cost between 
>> > > > > > $59
>> > > > > > and $69 dollars.
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > Hmmm, and then return those boxes to the store and use that $80 
>> > > > > > on
>> > > > > > something cool...
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > > cfgeeks mailing list
>> > > > > cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> > > > > http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
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From apratts at comcast.net  Wed Jan  2 15:39:42 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:39:42 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021536300.8480@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <D5F59C1F-B494-4B83-87DD-D068DFF76D6A@comcast.net>
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So, how will you use the tax money?

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:

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> Even if we are only paying for the government entity handling the
> program it is too much.
>
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> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:35:17 -0500
>> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
>>
>> We been here before...  Do you really believe you are paying for  
>> this? Do you
>> really believe that all the $$$ comes from tax payers?
>>
>> Albert Pratts
>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>>
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>>> And as a tax payer that is my responsibility how?
>>>
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>>> Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>>> Systems Administrator		Internet:
>>> FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>>> Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>>> Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>>> PGP public key available on web site.
>>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
>>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:30:19 -0500
>>>> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>>>> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From  
>>>> Analog TV
>>>>
>>>> The government is helping cheap people like John Mayson to stay  
>>>> up with
>>>> technology...  :-P
>>>>
>>>> Albert Pratts
>>>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wow, I thought this was just the government defauding the tax  
>>>>> payers
>>>>> but
>>>>> now we have the opportunity to defraud the government too!
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> ~  *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
>>>>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>>>> Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>>>>> Systems Administrator		Internet:
>>>>> FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>>>>> Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>>>>> Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>>>>> PGP public key available on web site.
>>>>> ~  *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
>>>>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:16:10 -0500
>>>>>> From: Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From  
>>>>>> Analog TV
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:08 -0500, Albert Pratts wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140751-c,ces/article.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So how does it work? You can apply for up to two $40 coupons per
>>>>>> household, either by visiting the official site launched on  
>>>>>> January
>>>>>> 1,
>>>>>> http://www.dtv2009.gov/, or calling 888-DTV-2009. Printed
>>>>>> applications
>>>>>> will also be available at post offices and at public libraries,  
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> English, Spanish, and other languages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Starting February 18, 2008, the government will send coupons by  
>>>>>> U.S.
>>>>>> mail in the form of a gift card that consumers can use at  
>>>>>> electronics
>>>>>> retailers that sell the digital-to-analog converter boxes. You'll
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> approximately three months to redeem the coupon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far, only Digital Stream, LG Electronics, and Philips have
>>>>>> converter
>>>>>> boxes that are approved by the NTIA, and only LG and Philips have
>>>>>> announced actual products. The boxes are expected to cost  
>>>>>> between $59
>>>>>> and $69 dollars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm, and then return those boxes to the store and use that $80  
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> something cool...
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> cfgeeks mailing list
>>>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>>>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>>>
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From kmk at sanitarium.net  Wed Jan  2 15:41:06 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:41:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
In-Reply-To: <09752062-0019-4979-8342-FF2AF7612FE1@comcast.net>
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Not to buy things for people that they don't need.

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 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
 	PGP public key available on web site.
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:

> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:39:42 -0500
> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
> 
> So, how will you use the tax money?
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>
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>> Even if the tax payers are only paying 1 cent each it is too much.
>> Even if we are only paying for the government entity handling the
>> program it is too much.
>> 
>> - --
>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>  Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>>  Systems Administrator		Internet:
>>  FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>>  Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>>  Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>>  PGP public key available on web site.
>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> 
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> 
>> > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:35:17 -0500
>> > From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>> > To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
>> > 
>> > We been here before...  Do you really believe you are paying for this? Do 
>> > you
>> > really believe that all the $$$ comes from tax payers?
>> > 
>> > Albert Pratts
>> > Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>> > 
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>> > > And as a tax payer that is my responsibility how?
>> > > 
>> > > - --
>> > > ~  *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> > > Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>> > > Systems Administrator		Internet:
>> > > FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>> > > Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>> > > Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>> > > PGP public key available on web site.
>> > > ~  *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> > > 
>> > > On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:30:19 -0500
>> > > > From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>> > > > To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>> > > > Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
>> > > > 
>> > > > The government is helping cheap people like John Mayson to stay up 
>> > > > with
>> > > > technology...  :-P
>> > > > 
>> > > > Albert Pratts
>> > > > Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>> > > > 
>> > > > > Wow, I thought this was just the government defauding the tax 
>> > > > > payers
>> > > > > but
>> > > > > now we have the opportunity to defraud the government too!
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > -- 
>> > > > > ~   *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> > > > > Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>> > > > > Systems Administrator		Internet:
>> > > > > FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>> > > > > Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>> > > > > Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>> > > > > PGP public key available on web site.
>> > > > > ~   *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > > Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:16:10 -0500
>> > > > > > From: Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>
>> > > > > > To: cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From 
>> > > > > > Analog TV
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:08 -0500, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> > > > > > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140751-c,ces/article.html
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > So how does it work? You can apply for up to two $40 coupons per
>> > > > > > household, either by visiting the official site launched on 
>> > > > > > January
>> > > > > > 1,
>> > > > > > http://www.dtv2009.gov/, or calling 888-DTV-2009. Printed
>> > > > > > applications
>> > > > > > will also be available at post offices and at public libraries, 
>> > > > > > in
>> > > > > > English, Spanish, and other languages.
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > Starting February 18, 2008, the government will send coupons by 
>> > > > > > U.S.
>> > > > > > mail in the form of a gift card that consumers can use at 
>> > > > > > electronics
>> > > > > > retailers that sell the digital-to-analog converter boxes. You'll
>> > > > > > have
>> > > > > > approximately three months to redeem the coupon.
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > So far, only Digital Stream, LG Electronics, and Philips have
>> > > > > > converter
>> > > > > > boxes that are approved by the NTIA, and only LG and Philips have
>> > > > > > announced actual products. The boxes are expected to cost between 
>> > > > > > $59
>> > > > > > and $69 dollars.
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > Hmmm, and then return those boxes to the store and use that $80 
>> > > > > > on
>> > > > > > something cool...
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > _______________________________________________
>> > > > > cfgeeks mailing list
>> > > > > cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> > > > > http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 15:47:14 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:47:14 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021540540.8910@asylum.sanitarium.net>
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On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:41 -0500, Kevin Korb wrote:
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> Not to buy things for people that they don't need.

I'll use it to buy things for me that I don't need; that's what it's
for.
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Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:20:01 -0500
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Wed Jan  2 16:32:14 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 16:32:14 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] It's a fast thing
Message-ID: <1199309534.7841.20.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/02/marvell-announces-industrys-first-450-mbps-802-11n-chip/
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From kc4zvw at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  2 19:30:40 2008
From: kc4zvw at earthlink.net (David Billsbrough)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:30:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] Welcome to Trains, Planes, and......
Message-ID: <E1JADyq-0002y1-9Z@debian.oau.org>

Air geek alert:

	http://www.rbogash.com/index.html

73,

David
-- 
David Billsbrough (KC4ZVW)
Chuluota, Florida  grid: EL98kp
AVR * Duckworks * FreeBSD * Linux * PICmicro * QRP * TAPR

From graham.christensen at iamgraham.net  Wed Jan  2 22:56:16 2008
From: graham.christensen at iamgraham.net (Graham Christensen)
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:56:16 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Lawyer: Ripping MP3s Illegal, Grounds for Lawsuit
In-Reply-To: <B82BB3C5-5AA1-402E-B119-4ADF0F5C9A60@comcast.net>
References: <B82BB3C5-5AA1-402E-B119-4ADF0F5C9A60@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <477C5CE0.1080501@iamgraham.net>

I wonder if they'll sue for having a copy of it travel through a
computer's internal circuitry as it goes to the speakers, as well. I
mean, that *is* another copy, right?

Graham Christensen

http://itrebal.com - Customized Web Hosting
Graham.Christensen at iamgraham.net



Albert Pratts wrote:
> and people still ask me why I hate attorneys. 
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,319276,00.html
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
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From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Wed Jan  2 23:09:48 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 23:09:48 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Lawyer: Ripping MP3s Illegal, Grounds for Lawsuit
In-Reply-To: <477C5CE0.1080501@iamgraham.net>
References: <B82BB3C5-5AA1-402E-B119-4ADF0F5C9A60@comcast.net>
	<477C5CE0.1080501@iamgraham.net>
Message-ID: <A65FF9B9-E921-4125-9723-36359D3F90A4@cfl.rr.com>

Oh and don't forget the buffer in the CD player...  now you're time- 
shifting the content to boot....  and playing it in stereo?  Thats one  
copy per speaker!

Back in the day, my dad was pulled over for speeding in a nowhere  
backwater town in upstate NY.  He was brought before the magistrate at  
1AM and he deemed that since there were 5 people in the car, the  
speeding fine was 5x the normal rate, since 5 people were actually  
speeding.

Same lawyerology, I guess.




On Jan 2, 2008, at 10:56 PM, Graham Christensen wrote:

> I wonder if they'll sue for having a copy of it travel through a
> computer's internal circuitry as it goes to the speakers, as well. I
> mean, that *is* another copy, right?
>
> Graham Christensen
>
> http://itrebal.com - Customized Web Hosting
> Graham.Christensen at iamgraham.net
>
>
>
> Albert Pratts wrote:
>> and people still ask me why I hate attorneys.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,319276,00.html
>>
>> Albert Pratts
>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From john at mayson.us  Wed Jan  2 23:30:14 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:30:14 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Lawyer: Ripping MP3s Illegal, Grounds for Lawsuit
In-Reply-To: <477C5CE0.1080501@iamgraham.net>
References: <B82BB3C5-5AA1-402E-B119-4ADF0F5C9A60@comcast.net>
	<477C5CE0.1080501@iamgraham.net>
Message-ID: <7E2463F4-2764-4D74-AAE9-DA1D7B56D645@mayson.us>

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On Jan 2, 2008, at 9:56 PM, Graham Christensen wrote:

> I wonder if they'll sue for having a copy of it travel through a
> computer's internal circuitry as it goes to the speakers, as well. I
> mean, that *is* another copy, right?

Slightly off-topic, but relevant.

Should they ever invent a teleporter wouldn't that suggest they could  
build a copier and clone people?

I shouldn't think this late at night.

- --
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA


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From cfg at davehudson.net  Thu Jan  3 00:08:36 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 00:08:36 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Lawyer: Ripping MP3s Illegal, Grounds for Lawsuit
In-Reply-To: <B82BB3C5-5AA1-402E-B119-4ADF0F5C9A60@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <007f01c84dc6$b28ae6d0$2201a8c0@davehp64>

Ok - why has no one asked the simple questions like:
 
1)  Why isn't anyone suing Comcast for renting me a cable box with DVR that
allows me to "RIP" movies to its hard drive?
 
2)  How is my ripping my own MP3s from my own CDS different than recording
the same music from the radio?

  _____  

From: Albert Pratts [mailto:apratts at comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:32 PM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: [cfgeeks] Lawyer: Ripping MP3s Illegal, Grounds for Lawsuit


and people still ask me why I hate attorneys.  

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,319276,00.html

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



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From cfg at davehudson.net  Thu Jan  3 00:13:36 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 00:13:36 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Albert Question - suing over MP3s
Message-ID: <008a01c84dc7$655418e0$2201a8c0@davehp64>

Albert,

Here's a question for you.

If i don't do any file sharing, then "in theory", the RIAA has no way of
knowing what is and is not stored on my computer.

So if i do not publicly expose my data, how can the record company sue me?

What would give them probable cause... other than me walking around with an
MP3 player???


From apratts at comcast.net  Thu Jan  3 00:15:15 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:15:15 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Lawyer: Ripping MP3s Illegal, Grounds for Lawsuit
In-Reply-To: <007f01c84dc6$b28ae6d0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
References: <007f01c84dc6$b28ae6d0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
Message-ID: <477C6F63.1090106@comcast.net>

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I did. The answer was that Cable and Satellite companies have a contract
and they pay for the DVR boxes.

Music from radio? People still doing that?

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA.


Dave Hudson wrote:
> Ok - why has no one asked the simple questions like:
>  
> 1)  Why isn't anyone suing Comcast for renting me a cable box with DVR
> that allows me to "RIP" movies to its hard drive?
>  
> 2)  How is my ripping my own MP3s from my own CDS different than
> recording the same music from the radio?
> 
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From john at mayson.us  Thu Jan  3 00:41:02 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 23:41:02 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Albert Question - suing over MP3s
In-Reply-To: <008a01c84dc7$655418e0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
References: <008a01c84dc7$655418e0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
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On Jan 2, 2008, at 11:13 PM, Dave Hudson wrote:

> Albert,
>
> Here's a question for you.
>
> If i don't do any file sharing, then "in theory", the RIAA has no  
> way of
> knowing what is and is not stored on my computer.
>
> So if i do not publicly expose my data, how can the record company  
> sue me?
>
> What would give them probable cause... other than me walking around  
> with an
> MP3 player???

I'm not Albert, but I am better looking.  :-P

Anyone can sue anyone for any reason.  The RIAA has sued people  
without computers and even managed to sue a family in rural Georgia  
who not only never owned a computer there was no local Internet  
service in their town.

I personally think a lot of what they do are fishing expeditions.

- --
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA


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From apratts at comcast.net  Thu Jan  3 01:04:23 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:04:23 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Albert Question - suing over MP3s
In-Reply-To: <008a01c84dc7$655418e0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
References: <008a01c84dc7$655418e0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
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Not much, I just believe that they just fish around to see what they get.

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA.


Dave Hudson wrote:
> Albert,
> 
> Here's a question for you.
> 
> If i don't do any file sharing, then "in theory", the RIAA has no way of
> knowing what is and is not stored on my computer.
> 
> So if i do not publicly expose my data, how can the record company sue me?
> 
> What would give them probable cause... other than me walking around with an
> MP3 player???
> 
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Jan  3 01:17:41 2008
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 01:17:41 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Albert Question - suing over MP3s
In-Reply-To: <008a01c84dc7$655418e0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
References: <008a01c84dc7$655418e0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
Message-ID: <200801030117.42318.slitt@troubleshooters.com>

On Thursday 03 January 2008 00:13, Dave Hudson wrote:
> Albert,
>
> Here's a question for you.
>
> If i don't do any file sharing, then "in theory", the RIAA has no way of
> knowing what is and is not stored on my computer.

If you have no enemies, that would be true.

SteveT

From apratts at comcast.net  Wed Jan  2 15:47:24 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:47:24 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021540540.8910@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <D5F59C1F-B494-4B83-87DD-D068DFF76D6A@comcast.net>
	<1199304970.7841.9.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021527260.7618@asylum.sanitarium.net>
	<D31533F6-37B7-4734-B6DB-7B9151530F2E@comcast.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021531520.8023@asylum.sanitarium.net>
	<F1E96D2A-97CA-42EF-B0EF-BE386650E855@comcast.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021536300.8480@asylum.sanitarium.net>
	<09752062-0019-4979-8342-FF2AF7612FE1@comcast.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0801021540540.8910@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <24CDED8E-D834-4CF7-959E-34BD506D76A7@comcast.net>

Why they don't needed? Is the fastest way to broadcast a emergency  
signal and since they change the format, then they are mandate it to  
pay for it. In the long run (if you do the research) tax payers aren't  
paying a cent. This is just like the 800Mhz rebanding, do you think  
tax payers are paying for all that? Tell that to Sprint/Nextel.

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:

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> Not to buy things for people that they don't need.
>
> - --
> ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
> 	Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
> 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
> 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
> 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
> 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
> 	PGP public key available on web site.
> ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:39:42 -0500
>> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
>>
>> So, how will you use the tax money?
>>
>> Albert Pratts
>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>>
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>>> Even if the tax payers are only paying 1 cent each it is too much.
>>> Even if we are only paying for the government entity handling the
>>> program it is too much.
>>>
>>> - --
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>>> Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>>> Systems Administrator		Internet:
>>> FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>>> Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>>> Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>>> PGP public key available on web site.
>>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
>>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:35:17 -0500
>>>> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>>>> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From  
>>>> Analog TV
>>>>
>>>> We been here before...  Do you really believe you are paying for  
>>>> this? Do
>>>> you
>>>> really believe that all the $$$ comes from tax payers?
>>>>
>>>> Albert Pratts
>>>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>> And as a tax payer that is my responsibility how?
>>>>>
>>>>> - --
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>>>>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>>>> Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>>>>> Systems Administrator		Internet:
>>>>> FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>>>>> Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>>>>> Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>>>>> PGP public key available on web site.
>>>>> ~  *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
>>>>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:30:19 -0500
>>>>>> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>>>>>> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From  
>>>>>> Analog TV
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The government is helping cheap people like John Mayson to stay  
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> technology...  :-P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Albert Pratts
>>>>>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:27 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow, I thought this was just the government defauding the tax
>>>>>>> payers
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> now we have the opportunity to defraud the government too!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> ~   *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
>>>>>>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>>>>>> Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>>>>>>> Systems Administrator		Internet:
>>>>>>> FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>>>>>>> Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>>>>>>> Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>>>>>>> PGP public key available on web site.
>>>>>>> ~   *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,- 
>>>>>>> *~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:16:10 -0500
>>>>>>>> From: Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From
>>>>>>>> Analog TV
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2008-01-02 at 15:08 -0500, Albert Pratts wrote:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140751-c,ces/article.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So how does it work? You can apply for up to two $40 coupons  
>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>> household, either by visiting the official site launched on
>>>>>>>> January
>>>>>>>> 1,
>>>>>>>> http://www.dtv2009.gov/, or calling 888-DTV-2009. Printed
>>>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>> will also be available at post offices and at public libraries,
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> English, Spanish, and other languages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Starting February 18, 2008, the government will send coupons by
>>>>>>>> U.S.
>>>>>>>> mail in the form of a gift card that consumers can use at
>>>>>>>> electronics
>>>>>>>> retailers that sell the digital-to-analog converter boxes.  
>>>>>>>> You'll
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> approximately three months to redeem the coupon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So far, only Digital Stream, LG Electronics, and Philips have
>>>>>>>> converter
>>>>>>>> boxes that are approved by the NTIA, and only LG and Philips  
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> announced actual products. The boxes are expected to cost  
>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>> $59
>>>>>>>> and $69 dollars.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmm, and then return those boxes to the store and use that $80
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> something cool...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> cfgeeks mailing list
>>>>>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu Jan  3 07:35:47 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:35:47 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] List moms here...
Message-ID: <477CD6A3.1040607@inscoe.org>

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Your all geeks right? Than you understand the concept of *no*
attachments and a 40kb body limit right? You understand implicit
destination (mail bombing addresses) right? Good then conceptualize my
automatically deleting moderated messages (instead of me overriding the
limit manually for each one - and there are a lot!) from now on. That is
all. World Control out.

- --
Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
GPG 0x61288D53                                          Skype: ke3vin













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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu Jan  3 08:13:38 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:13:38 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] IAAT
Message-ID: <477CDF82.9050304@inscoe.org>

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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-lswat0208jan02,0,1049654.story
- --
Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu Jan  3 08:30:35 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:30:35 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Perihelion!
Message-ID: <477CE37B.5090806@inscoe.org>

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I knew you could tell by the weather outside. ;-)

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14583634

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Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu Jan  3 08:44:04 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:44:04 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Facebook kick/bans script kiddies
Message-ID: <477CE6A4.70701@inscoe.org>

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http://scobleizer.com/2008/01/03/ive-been-kicked-off-of-facebook/

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Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu Jan  3 08:53:06 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:53:06 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Yeah I will get to that when it snows in Florida...
Message-ID: <477CE8C2.30807@inscoe.org>

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Ohh...

- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: [cfwxalerts] Volusia County
Date: Thu,  3 Jan 2008 08:15:55 -0500 (EST)
From: wx.kevininscoe.com Automated <admin at kevininscoe.com>
Reply-To: admin at kevininscoe.com
To: wxalerts at mail.kevininscoe.com


...FLURRIES OCCURRING ALONG THE EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA COAST...

THE COLD TEMPERATURES COMBINED WITH STRONG NORTH TO NORTHEAST WINDS
ARE PRODUCING OCEAN EFFECT SNOW FLURRIES OFFSHORE AND ALONG THE EAST
CENTRAL FLORIDA COAST. FLURRIES HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPORTED IN
VOLUSIA COUNTY NEAR HOLLY HILL AND ORMOND BEACH...AND THE POTENTIAL
FOR ADDITIONAL FLURRIES EXISTS FROM BREVARD COUNTY SOUTHWARD THROUGH
INDIAN RIVER...ST LUCIE AND MARTIN COUNTIES AS RADAR ECHOES APPROACH
THE COAST. THESE FLURRIES MAY CONTINUE INTO THE LATE MORNING BEFORE
CHANGING OVER TO VERY LIGHT RAIN OR DRIZZLE. NO ACCUMULATION OF SNOW
IS EXPECTED. THE LAST TIME FLURRIES WERE REPORTED IN EAST CENTRAL
FLORIDA WAS JANUARY 24TH IN 2003.

GLITTO




AFFECTED COUNTIES:
IN FLORIDA: BREVARD, INDIAN RIVER, MARTIN, ST LUCIE, VOLUSIA.



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Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
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From john at mayson.us  Thu Jan  3 09:07:54 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:07:54 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Yeah I will get to that when it snows in Florida...
In-Reply-To: <477CE8C2.30807@inscoe.org>
References: <477CE8C2.30807@inscoe.org>
Message-ID: <6645152a0801030607t5ac799a9g26abbb697ab8786@mail.gmail.com>

Al Gore can return his prize to:

Nobel Committee
Attn: Prize Revocation
Oslo, Norway

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Jan  3 09:20:12 2008
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:20:12 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] List moms here...
In-Reply-To: <477CD6A3.1040607@inscoe.org>
References: <477CD6A3.1040607@inscoe.org>
Message-ID: <200801030920.13146.slitt@troubleshooters.com>

On Thursday 03 January 2008 07:35, Kevin P. Inscoe wrote:
> You understand implicit
> destination (mail bombing addresses) right? 

No I don't. Please explain implicit addresses to me, and how they relate to 
mail bombing.

Thanks

SteveT

From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Jan  3 09:21:58 2008
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:21:58 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Yeah I will get to that when it snows in Florida...
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0801030607t5ac799a9g26abbb697ab8786@mail.gmail.com>
References: <477CE8C2.30807@inscoe.org>
	<6645152a0801030607t5ac799a9g26abbb697ab8786@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200801030921.58575.slitt@troubleshooters.com>

On Thursday 03 January 2008 09:07, John Mayson wrote:
> Al Gore can return his prize to:
>
> Nobel Committee
> Attn: Prize Revocation
> Oslo, Norway

As soon as we go 10 years without a cat 5 cane in the Atlantic/Carribean/Gulf 
of Mexico area.

SteveT

From apratts at comcast.net  Thu Jan  3 09:38:23 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:38:23 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Albert Question - suing over MP3s
In-Reply-To: <200801030117.42318.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
References: <008a01c84dc7$655418e0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<200801030117.42318.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
Message-ID: <657BDBA8-9618-4AAF-856C-D55B6E697700@comcast.net>

That's true.

Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2008, at 1:17 AM, Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com>  
wrote:

> On Thursday 03 January 2008 00:13, Dave Hudson wrote:
>> Albert,
>>
>> Here's a question for you.
>>
>> If i don't do any file sharing, then "in theory", the RIAA has no  
>> way of
>> knowing what is and is not stored on my computer.
>
> If you have no enemies, that would be true.
>
> SteveT
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

From jeff at iddings.us  Thu Jan  3 09:43:14 2008
From: jeff at iddings.us (Jeff Iddings)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 09:43:14 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Yeah I will get to that when it snows in Florida...
In-Reply-To: <200801030921.58575.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
References: <477CE8C2.30807@inscoe.org>	<6645152a0801030607t5ac799a9g26abbb697ab8786@mail.gmail.com>
	<200801030921.58575.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
Message-ID: <477CF482.7040909@iddings.us>

Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thursday 03 January 2008 09:07, John Mayson wrote:
>> Al Gore can return his prize to:
>>
>> Nobel Committee
>> Attn: Prize Revocation
>> Oslo, Norway
> 
> As soon as we go 10 years without a cat 5 cane in the Atlantic/Carribean/Gulf 
> of Mexico area.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes#Listed_in_chronological_order

Like has been happening since we started keeping records on hurricanes?

From syberghost at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 10:23:17 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:23:17 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Antisocial networking site
Message-ID: <1199373797.3733.0.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

http://www.snubster.com

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From syberghost at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 10:56:44 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:56:44 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Yeah I will get to that when it snows in Florida...
In-Reply-To: <200801030921.58575.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
References: <477CE8C2.30807@inscoe.org>
	<6645152a0801030607t5ac799a9g26abbb697ab8786@mail.gmail.com>
	<200801030921.58575.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
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On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 09:21 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> As soon as we go 10 years without a cat 5 cane in the Atlantic/Carribean/Gulf 
> of Mexico area.

How exactly would that prove man isn't causing warming?
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From john at mayson.us  Thu Jan  3 11:02:43 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:02:43 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Facebook kick/bans script kiddies
In-Reply-To: <477CE6A4.70701@inscoe.org>
References: <477CE6A4.70701@inscoe.org>
Message-ID: <6645152a0801030802o70f3580akbc0e41e71b876da0@mail.gmail.com>

I'll try to keep this under 40 kb.  :-P

I have no clue what Scoble was trying to do.  On the face of it it
sounds like he was doing something he shouldn't have been doing.  But
on the other hand... my son.  He's 11 so when he signs up for
something we use an email address that goes to both of us.  He's into
World of Warcraft and they sent him a TOS violation notice.  The
incident was well spelled out, but the consequences were vague.  They
accused him of spamming having typed in a paragraph of random words
171 times in 1 minute and 42 seconds.  Even if he used copy-n-paste,
there's no way he could've done that.  And secondly, during the time
of the violation we were downstairs watching Animal Planet with plans
to flip over to ABC to watch the ball drop.  I responded to them and
so far I don't have a response from them.  I asked my son to change
his password.

But this brings me to my rant.  Companies that treat their customers
like the enemy.

Sorry, I forget your name, the dude here who is losing his Brighthouse
account.  Your incident reminded me of something I had seen, but
couldn't recall until the other day.  I was watching a news program
(20/20 maybe?) and they had a CEO of a bank who has been made famous
because he "fires" his customers.  He was saying "Everytime you call
my toll-free number, you cost me money.  Everytime you log into my
website, you cost me money."  If he feels you're calling too often,
accessing your account via the web too often, depositing too much cash
and checks (he prefers just direct deposit), he'll "fire" you.  I
could not believe the arrogance.  He works for the customers, not the
other way around.

I've read stories (comp.dcom.telecom, Slashdot, MSM, etc.) where
Sprint PCS has gotten rid of "troublesome" customers as has AT&T DSL.
Are we really to the point where it's a privilege to have a checking
account, cell phone, or broadband service?

Here's my wild theory.  It's the Wal-Mart effect.  During the late
90's we had the unusual circumstance of rising salaries and falling
prices.  We got really used to that.  Something had to give.
Customers have voted with their wallets.  They prefer discount stores
like Wal-Mart to more expensive full-service stores like Circuit City
(prior to them firing all of their knowledgeable staff).  In order to
compete, businesses have to cut to the bone.  It ties up resources
when a customer complains, so it's easier just to get rid of the
customer than to address the problem.  For every customer they ditch
there's a dozen just waiting to do business.

I was watching another news show where they followed John Edwards on
the campaign trail.  His mantra these days is going after "corporate
greed".  I've been around long enough to know that's Democratese for
"tax the beejezus out of industries we don't like such as defense and
energy companies".  But I'll admit it struck a nerve with me.  I see
these huge near monopoly industries raking in cash, giving little
customer support, and treating us like we're mere annoyances.  While
I'm smart enough to see through Edwards' rhetoric I wonder how many
out there aren't?

Right now I'm doing battle with Dell.com.  My wife ordered a Nokia
N810 for me for Christmas.  The ship date went from before Christmas
to 01/18 to 01/03 to order cancelled without any explanation at all.
I called yesterday, but was on hold too long.  I emailed them but so
far I've had no response.  Sigh.  Customer service in the 21st
century.

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Jan  3 11:13:23 2008
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:13:23 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Yeah I will get to that when it snows in Florida...
In-Reply-To: <1199375804.3733.3.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <477CE8C2.30807@inscoe.org>
	<200801030921.58575.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<1199375804.3733.3.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <200801031113.23350.slitt@troubleshooters.com>

On Thursday 03 January 2008 10:56, Shawn McMahon wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 09:21 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > As soon as we go 10 years without a cat 5 cane in the
> > Atlantic/Carribean/Gulf of Mexico area.
>
> How exactly would that prove man isn't causing warming?

How does one cold day prove it? I was just joking on John's joke.

SteveT

From john at mayson.us  Thu Jan  3 11:15:03 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:15:03 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Yeah I will get to that when it snows in Florida...
In-Reply-To: <200801031113.23350.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
References: <477CE8C2.30807@inscoe.org>
	<200801030921.58575.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<1199375804.3733.3.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<200801031113.23350.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
Message-ID: <6645152a0801030815k3fb330edx5fbe33c5787e56ca@mail.gmail.com>

> How does one cold day prove it? I was just joking on John's joke.

I'm sidestepping this whole argument.  :-)  But I have noticed no one
calls it "global warming" any more but rather "climate change".

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From kmk at sanitarium.net  Thu Jan  3 11:15:39 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:15:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] Yeah I will get to that when it snows in Florida...
In-Reply-To: <200801031113.23350.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
References: <477CE8C2.30807@inscoe.org>
	<200801030921.58575.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<1199375804.3733.3.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<200801031113.23350.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801031114580.10789@asylum.sanitarium.net>

Only a trend analysis can prove that it is happening.  Proving that it
is our fault is more difficult.  Proving that it has anything to do with
carbon dioxide is impossible.

-- 
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
 	Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
 	PGP public key available on web site.
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Steve Litt wrote:

> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:13:23 -0500
> From: Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Yeah I will get to that when it snows in Florida...
> 
> On Thursday 03 January 2008 10:56, Shawn McMahon wrote:
>> On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 09:21 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>>> As soon as we go 10 years without a cat 5 cane in the
>>> Atlantic/Carribean/Gulf of Mexico area.
>>
>> How exactly would that prove man isn't causing warming?
>
> How does one cold day prove it? I was just joking on John's joke.
>
> SteveT
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>

From syberghost at gmail.com  Thu Jan  3 11:17:20 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:17:20 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Facebook kick/bans script kiddies
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0801030802o70f3580akbc0e41e71b876da0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <477CE6A4.70701@inscoe.org>
	<6645152a0801030802o70f3580akbc0e41e71b876da0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1199377040.3733.8.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 10:02 -0600, John Mayson wrote:
> 
> and checks (he prefers just direct deposit), he'll "fire" you.  I
> could not believe the arrogance.  He works for the customers, not the
> other way around.
> 
> I've read stories (comp.dcom.telecom, Slashdot, MSM, etc.) where
> Sprint PCS has gotten rid of "troublesome" customers as has AT&T DSL.
> Are we really to the point where it's a privilege to have a checking
> account, cell phone, or broadband service?

How is this any different than a buffet telling somebody they have to
leave after they've been there three hours?  Or because they smell bad?
Just because a business has grown to thousands of employees doesn't mean
they lose their natural-born property right to refuse service to anyone,
and they're certainly not obligated to lose money to provide their
service to a customer.
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From kmk at sanitarium.net  Thu Jan  3 11:19:00 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:19:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] Yeah I will get to that when it snows in Florida...
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0801030815k3fb330edx5fbe33c5787e56ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <477CE8C2.30807@inscoe.org>
	<200801030921.58575.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
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That way in 20 years when they are proven wrong they can go back to
saying the ice age is comming again like they were doing in the 70s.
Contradictions are fine with them as long as they don't look completely
stupid.

- -- 
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
 	Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
 	PGP public key available on web site.
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, John Mayson wrote:

> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:15:03 -0600
> From: John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Yeah I will get to that when it snows in Florida...
> 
>> How does one cold day prove it? I was just joking on John's joke.
>
> I'm sidestepping this whole argument.  :-)  But I have noticed no one
> calls it "global warming" any more but rather "climate change".
>
>
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Jan  3 11:27:31 2008
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:27:31 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Facebook kick/bans script kiddies
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On Thursday 03 January 2008 11:02, John Mayson wrote:
> But I'll admit it struck a nerve with me.  I see
> these huge near monopoly industries raking in cash, giving little
> customer support, and treating us like we're mere annoyances.

Hi John,

The operant words are "near monopoly". What I personally think of as 
Capitalism works only in the absense of monopolies. That's the only way Adam 
Smith's invisible hand does its thing. Look at the problem areas:

Healthcare: The governments over-restriction of who can administer medical 
care creates a doctor shortage, and the rest is history.

Prescription Drugs: The government bestows a 17 year monopoly, and we all know 
by 17 years the drug is either obsolete or germs have adapted. Possessing a 
monopoly, the drug company marks the medicine up by five orders of magnitude. 
The real slap in the face is that taxpayer dollars paid for a lot of the 
research on privately monopolized drugs.

Cable/landlines, etc: Local government gives a company a monopoly on the last 
mile, so now the company can profit nicely from crappy service.

Windows: The government refused to enforce the Sherman and Clayton antitrust 
acts, with predictable results.

Cellphones: Government auctions limited, expensive frequencies. Also, the 
government does not enforce anti-bundling (why should company A's cell phone 
not work on company B's network?).

If monopolies were ever eliminated, my politics would be a lot closer to 
yours, Kevin K, Kevin I, and even Shawn (Red State) McMahon. And if there 
were no monopolies, the only companies that would treat us like annoyances 
would be those with prices so low it's an offer we can't refuse.

SteveT

From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Thu Jan  3 11:30:17 2008
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:30:17 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Yeah I will get to that when it snows in Florida...
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On Thursday 03 January 2008 11:19, Kevin Korb wrote:
> That way in 20 years when they are proven wrong they can go back to
> saying the ice age is comming again like they were doing in the 70s.
> Contradictions are fine with them as long as they don't look completely
> stupid.

And also, that way in 20 years if they're proven right and the climate's 
hopelessly out of whack and will take 20 years to recover, they can 
say "well, we just didn't have the proof".

SteveT

From john at mayson.us  Thu Jan  3 11:40:35 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:40:35 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Facebook kick/bans script kiddies
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On 1/3/08, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 10:02 -0600, John Mayson wrote:
> >
> > and checks (he prefers just direct deposit), he'll "fire" you.  I
> > could not believe the arrogance.  He works for the customers, not the
> > other way around.
> >
> > I've read stories (comp.dcom.telecom, Slashdot, MSM, etc.) where
> > Sprint PCS has gotten rid of "troublesome" customers as has AT&T DSL.
> > Are we really to the point where it's a privilege to have a checking
> > account, cell phone, or broadband service?
>
> How is this any different than a buffet telling somebody they have to
> leave after they've been there three hours?  Or because they smell bad?
> Just because a business has grown to thousands of employees doesn't mean
> they lose their natural-born property right to refuse service to anyone,
> and they're certainly not obligated to lose money to provide their
> service to a customer.

In those cases the standards are clearly defined.  There's a time
limit and this is it and it applies to all.  That's fair.  But saying
"if you check your account balance too many times I'm going to fire
you" doesn't tell me a thing.  Why not rather say you get 10 free
balance queries and after that they charge?  That's fair.

I personally think people resort to blogs and forums to badmouth a
company because customer service has gotten so bad.  I see customer
versus company just escalating.  Just that's just MHO.

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From kmk at sanitarium.net  Thu Jan  3 11:53:26 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:53:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
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If there is a right to TV then why wasn't my TV subsidized?  If I have
no right to TV then why do people who have an old one have no right to an
upgrade.

Sure, upgrades are free.  They are always free.  The magic technology
fairy gives them away for free.  The fact that you do not have a
specific "Digital TV upgrade subsidy" tax doesn't mean you aren't paying
for it somehow.

-- 
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:

> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:47:24 -0500
> From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
> 
> Why they don't needed? Is the fastest way to broadcast a emergency signal and 
> since they change the format, then they are mandate it to pay for it. In the 
> long run (if you do the research) tax payers aren't paying a cent. This is 
> just like the 800Mhz rebanding, do you think tax payers are paying for all 
> that? Tell that to Sprint/Nextel.
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
> On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>
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>> Not to buy things for people that they don't need.
>> 
>> - --
>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>>  Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>>  Systems Administrator		Internet:
>>  FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>>  Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>>  Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>>  PGP public key available on web site.
>> ~ *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> 
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> 
>> > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:39:42 -0500
>> > From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>> > To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
>> > 
>> > So, how will you use the tax money?
>> > 
>> > Albert Pratts
>> > Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Jan 2, 2008, at 3:37 PM, Kevin Korb wrote:
>> > 
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>> > > 
>> > > Even if the tax payers are only paying 1 cent each it is too much.
>> > > Even if we are only paying for the government entity handling the
>> > > program it is too much.
>> > > 
>> > > - --
>> > > ~  *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> > > Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
>> > > Systems Administrator		Internet:
>> > > FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
>> > > Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
>> > > Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
>> > > PGP public key available on web site.
>> > > ~  *-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
>> > > 
>> > > On Wed, 2 Jan 2008, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:35:17 -0500
>> > > > From: Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>
>> > > > To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
>> > > > Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] TV Converter Boxes Offer Escape From Analog TV
>> > > > 
>> > > > We been here before...  Do you really believe you are paying for 
>> > > > this? Do
>> > > > you
>> > > > really believe that all the $$$ comes from tax payers?
>> > > > 
>> > > > Albert Pratts
>> > > > Mount Plymouth, Flor