From syberghost at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 14:45:02 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:45:02 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Another nice flashlight
Message-ID: <1204400702.7719.10.camel@qward>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s

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From kevin at inscoe.org  Sat Mar  1 15:11:51 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:11:51 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Orlando Asterix group
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90803011211p5bd00657vbb9def1a957dd334@mail.gmail.com>

http://asteriskpbx.meetup.com/8/

-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From kevin at inscoe.org  Sat Mar  1 15:19:54 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:19:54 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Speaking of Asterix...
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90803011219p5a795177jfca4a98314d643b0@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Steve <kb9mwr at yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [ARRL-80211B] ARRL VHF Digital Handbook - Asterix and
To: ARRL-80211B at listserv.tamu.edu


Allstarlink goes hand in hand with:  http://www.usbradio.org/  But it's more
 of a linking type of application, than it is a repeater controller  (I've
 heard that the IRLP parallel port card will transform into a USB solution
 like this.)

 The rest is Asterisk and ham radio miscellaneous:

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asterisk_radio/

  "thelinkbox" is also interesting.
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thelinkbox/   Thelinkbox is a voice over IP
 (VoIP) radio linking package for ham radio operators that runs under FreeBSD
 and Linux, and hopefully other Posix compatible operating systems.

 Although the primary purpose is for VoIP linking of a limited number of
 repeaters "off grid", i.e. separate from the EchoLink and IRLP networks it
 can also be used on Echolink if desired. It can not be used on the IRLP
 network.

 Here are some features:

 1. Support for multiple simultaneous connections using different codecs and
 protocols. Currently tlb supports ADPCM and GSM codecs and the Echolink,
 RTP, and Speak freely protocols. When multiple sources are active the audio
 is mixed.
 2. The number of VoIP connections is only limited by system RAM and
 available bandwidth.

 3. Support for up to 32 physical radio ports (assuming OS and hardware
 support and enough processing power).

 4. All ports are completely independent: Each port may have a unique set of
 DTMF commands. Each port can be connected to a distinct VoIP clients.

 5. A full cross point matrix of connections between VoIP clients and RF
 ports is supported.

 6. Does not require the user of a central server or authentication
 authority, all that is required is internet connectivity.

 7. Support for either prerecorded PCM audio announcements or external text
 to speech systems such as Festival.

 8. CW and voice IDs.

 9. An audio sweep tone generator for system testing.

 10. "Permanent" connections, if a link is lost tlb will keep trying to
 reconnect indefinitely.

 11. Software DTMF decoder.

 12. Open source software written in C and C++.

 13. Support for inexpensive USB audio dongles including PTT and COS sense.

 14. Software driven CTCSS generation.




  Southeastern Asterisk Radio Network http://searn.alertradio.net

 Asterisk Wireless Interoperability Demo http://www.xelatec.com/asterisk/



-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From octo at logicprobe.org  Sat Mar  1 16:58:48 2008
From: octo at logicprobe.org (Derek Konigsberg)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:58:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] Paintballp: Tomorrow at 9am
Message-ID: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0803011654010.10900@hyperion.logicprobe.org>

Odd hours and short notice, but I'm planning to go do this with a friend 
tomorrow morning (Sun. 3/2) when they open (9am), and figured I'd open the 
announcement.

Where: Orange County Paintball
When: 9am
URL: http://www.ocpzone.com/

---------------------------
Derek Konigsberg
octo at logicprobe.org
---------------------------

From kc4zvw at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  2 08:13:37 2008
From: kc4zvw at earthlink.net (David Billsbrough)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 08:13:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] Dr. Seuss is 104
Message-ID: <E1JVo0X-00012M-Jh@debian.oau.org>

Happy Birthday  Theodor Seuss Geisel

regards,

David

From john at mayson.us  Sun Mar  2 13:13:22 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:13:22 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Dr. Seuss is 104
In-Reply-To: <E1JVo0X-00012M-Jh@debian.oau.org>
References: <E1JVo0X-00012M-Jh@debian.oau.org>
Message-ID: <6645152a0803021013g21b2cc38pff4dfb805883ffdb@mail.gmail.com>

And Texas is 172 today.  Happy Texas Independence Day!

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From john at mayson.us  Sun Mar  2 15:48:24 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:48:24 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Pneumatic antenna launchers
Message-ID: <6645152a0803021248h5035b882qab83e6f466d43a29@mail.gmail.com>

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/03/pneumatic_antenna_launche.html

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Mon Mar  3 00:09:23 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 00:09:23 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] 8mm camcorder
Message-ID: <3E641338-2886-46B0-895E-B47EB50A6F3F@cfl.rr.com>

Anyone happen to have an 8mm camcorder I can borrow?  I have a few  
tapes that I think have family stuff on it but I lost track of the  
camcorder, I think I borrowed one from the grandparents once and the  
camera is now long gone.

Let me know, thanks!!!

Gil

From john at mayson.us  Mon Mar  3 11:41:26 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:41:26 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] LDAP
Message-ID: <6645152a0803030841j7b516637o3b3a8b7fe3593022@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, I know what LDAP is.  Does anyone actually use it is my question?

I got Alpine talking to my company's "address book server".  I started
to wonder if there were any public ones out there.  I found a bunch
(ldap.bigfoot.com, ldap.whowhere.com, ldap.yahoo.com) but they all
appear to be dead and references to them go back to postings from
1999.  Seems like it'd be a neat idea, but I can also see it being a
spam magnet (which is probably why if any existed they went away).  I
could see perhaps tying this in to a service like Plaxo or LinkedIn.
Hmmm....

Does anyone know of a working public LDAP service?  Yes, Google is my
friend, but it's just pulling up ghosts of Christmas past.

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From syberghost at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 15:21:09 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:21:09 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Lakeland air show
Message-ID: <1204575669.19572.10.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

I'm unable to get clear information as to whether my wife's cousin is
"flying in this air show" or "flying in for this air show", but either
way, we'll be there.

http://www.sun-n-fun.org/content/


-- 

   Shawn McMahon    |
   EIV Consulting   | in larido veritas
 http://www.eiv.com |
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Mon Mar  3 16:30:09 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:30:09 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Lakeland air show
In-Reply-To: <1204575669.19572.10.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <1204575669.19572.10.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90803031330m4e1141cbn470ccc868a086078@mail.gmail.com>

Don't forget Tico is two weeks from now.

http://www.nbbd.com/festivals/warbird/

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm unable to get clear information as to whether my wife's cousin is
>  "flying in this air show" or "flying in for this air show", but either
>  way, we'll be there.
>
>  http://www.sun-n-fun.org/content/
>
>
>  --
>
>    Shawn McMahon    |
>    EIV Consulting   | in larido veritas
>   http://www.eiv.com |
>
> _______________________________________________
>  cfgeeks mailing list
>  cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>  http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
>



-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From jonnylee_in_florida at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  3 16:57:28 2008
From: jonnylee_in_florida at yahoo.com (Jonathan Squires)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:57:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] IAXT
Message-ID: <409008.26188.qm@web50602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I hope you weren't planning on leaving the country before speaking with us sir!  

http://www.spychips.com/blog/2006/05/how_to_spot_an_rfid_passport.html


Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem
       
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From cfg at davehudson.net  Tue Mar  4 09:43:11 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:43:11 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
Message-ID: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>

Is there a "Do Not FAX" database like the "Do Not Call" DB?
 
I have started receiving 3 to 5 faxes a day for health care and other crap
and its getting old...........


From andy at stetzinger.com  Tue Mar  4 10:00:01 2008
From: andy at stetzinger.com (Andy Stetzinger)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:00:01 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
Message-ID: <3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>

Really? I look at that as a great money making opportunity.

The Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA) is a federal law passed  
in 1991 that prohibits commercial faxes w/o prior authorization.

If the fax was "deliberately" sent to you, minimum fine to the  
company is $500, and up to $1,500.

For more info, http://www.junkfaxes.org

365.1657  Intrastate use of facsimile machine for unsolicited  
advertising; prohibition; penalties; injunctive relief.--

(1)  It is unlawful for any person to use a machine that  
electronically transmits facsimiles of documents through connection  
with a telephone network to transmit within this state unsolicited  
advertising material for the sale of any real property, goods, or  
services.

(2)  The Attorney General may bring an action to impose a civil  
penalty and to seek injunctive relief. The civil penalty shall not  
exceed $500 per violation. Each transmission shall be considered a  
separate violation.



On Mar 4, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Dave Hudson wrote:

> Is there a "Do Not FAX" database like the "Do Not Call" DB?
>
> I have started receiving 3 to 5 faxes a day for health care and  
> other crap
> and its getting old...........
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

Andy Stetzinger
andy at stetzinger.com




From kevin at inscoe.org  Tue Mar  4 10:04:13 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:04:13 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com>

Ever try to collect on a judgement (if you even won)? Yeah good luck
with that...

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Andy Stetzinger <andy at stetzinger.com> wrote:
> Really? I look at that as a great money making opportunity.
>
>  The Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA) is a federal law passed
>  in 1991 that prohibits commercial faxes w/o prior authorization.
>
>  If the fax was "deliberately" sent to you, minimum fine to the
>  company is $500, and up to $1,500.
>
>  For more info, http://www.junkfaxes.org
>
>  365.1657  Intrastate use of facsimile machine for unsolicited
>  advertising; prohibition; penalties; injunctive relief.--
>
>  (1)  It is unlawful for any person to use a machine that
>  electronically transmits facsimiles of documents through connection
>  with a telephone network to transmit within this state unsolicited
>  advertising material for the sale of any real property, goods, or
>  services.
>
>  (2)  The Attorney General may bring an action to impose a civil
>  penalty and to seek injunctive relief. The civil penalty shall not
>  exceed $500 per violation. Each transmission shall be considered a
>  separate violation.
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Mar 4, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Dave Hudson wrote:
>
>  > Is there a "Do Not FAX" database like the "Do Not Call" DB?
>  >
>  > I have started receiving 3 to 5 faxes a day for health care and
>  > other crap
>  > and its getting old...........
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > cfgeeks mailing list
>  > cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>  > http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
>  Andy Stetzinger
>  andy at stetzinger.com
>
>
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  cfgeeks mailing list
>  cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>  http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>



-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From john at mayson.us  Tue Mar  4 10:08:52 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:08:52 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
	<e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6645152a0803040708j7b888eefyd17f9ebeb5023641@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/4/08, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
> Ever try to collect on a judgement (if you even won)? Yeah good luck
> with that...

I was going to point how gun-free zone laws prevent all shootings too,
but yeah, what he said.  :-)

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From andy at stetzinger.com  Tue Mar  4 10:36:56 2008
From: andy at stetzinger.com (Andy Stetzinger)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:36:56 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0803040708j7b888eefyd17f9ebeb5023641@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
	<e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com>
	<6645152a0803040708j7b888eefyd17f9ebeb5023641@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <053E4946-C623-4820-A0DC-ADBC44410210@stetzinger.com>

Actually, yes, I have successfully collected on a $5K judgement.  
While it wasn't for junk faxing, it serves as proof that sometimes  
the system does work the way it was intended too.



However, overall, the idea on the junk faxing isn't to collect, just  
to get them to stop.

On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:08 AM, John Mayson wrote:

> On 3/4/08, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
>> Ever try to collect on a judgement (if you even won)? Yeah good luck
>> with that...
>
> I was going to point how gun-free zone laws prevent all shootings too,
> but yeah, what he said.  :-)
>
> -- 
> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

Andy Stetzinger
andy at stetzinger.com




From cfg at davehudson.net  Tue Mar  4 10:42:47 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:42:47 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <053E4946-C623-4820-A0DC-ADBC44410210@stetzinger.com>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64><3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com><e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com><6645152a0803040708j7b888eefyd17f9ebeb5023641@mail.gmail.com>
	<053E4946-C623-4820-A0DC-ADBC44410210@stetzinger.com>
Message-ID: <005801c87e0e$65f472a0$2201a8c0@davehp64>

I just added the number to the National DNC list.... maybe that will
help..... doubt it though.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Stetzinger [mailto:andy at stetzinger.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:37 AM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal

Actually, yes, I have successfully collected on a $5K judgement.  
While it wasn't for junk faxing, it serves as proof that sometimes the
system does work the way it was intended too.



However, overall, the idea on the junk faxing isn't to collect, just to get
them to stop.

On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:08 AM, John Mayson wrote:

> On 3/4/08, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
>> Ever try to collect on a judgement (if you even won)? Yeah good luck 
>> with that...
>
> I was going to point how gun-free zone laws prevent all shootings too, 
> but yeah, what he said.  :-)
>
> --
> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

Andy Stetzinger
andy at stetzinger.com



_______________________________________________
cfgeeks mailing list
cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From john at mayson.us  Tue Mar  4 10:45:40 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:45:40 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <005801c87e0e$65f472a0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
	<e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com>
	<6645152a0803040708j7b888eefyd17f9ebeb5023641@mail.gmail.com>
	<053E4946-C623-4820-A0DC-ADBC44410210@stetzinger.com>
	<005801c87e0e$65f472a0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
Message-ID: <6645152a0803040745v40e95bd5v1a0c67e7d536a711@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/4/08, Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net> wrote:
> I just added the number to the National DNC list.... maybe that will
> help..... doubt it though.

At first I thought the DNC list was working, but we're back to getting
as much voice spam as before.  What just kills me is when I say,
"We're on the do not call list, please remove me from your list" I get
an earful about how they have the RIGHT to call me or are exempt or
something.  Great, whatever, just don't call me again.  But the calls
continue.

Yes, I know some entities are exempt, but I don't see how life
insurance pitches fall into this category.

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From andy at stetzinger.com  Tue Mar  4 10:48:23 2008
From: andy at stetzinger.com (Andy Stetzinger)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:48:23 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <005801c87e0e$65f472a0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64><3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com><e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com><6645152a0803040708j7b888eefyd17f9ebeb5023641@mail.gmail.com>
	<053E4946-C623-4820-A0DC-ADBC44410210@stetzinger.com>
	<005801c87e0e$65f472a0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
Message-ID: <B13209C8-8711-4736-9933-459BF26405E4@stetzinger.com>

It won't. DNC list doesn't apply to faxing.

If it's that much of a hassle, for $100 you can get a call screening  
box like this one:

http://www.privacycorps.com/products/?id=23


On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:42 AM, Dave Hudson wrote:

> I just added the number to the National DNC list.... maybe that will
> help..... doubt it though.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Stetzinger [mailto:andy at stetzinger.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:37 AM
> To: Central Florida Geeks
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
>
> Actually, yes, I have successfully collected on a $5K judgement.
> While it wasn't for junk faxing, it serves as proof that sometimes the
> system does work the way it was intended too.
>
>
>
> However, overall, the idea on the junk faxing isn't to collect,  
> just to get
> them to stop.
>
> On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:08 AM, John Mayson wrote:
>
>> On 3/4/08, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
>>> Ever try to collect on a judgement (if you even won)? Yeah good luck
>>> with that...
>>
>> I was going to point how gun-free zone laws prevent all shootings  
>> too,
>> but yeah, what he said.  :-)
>>
>> --
>> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
>> Austin, Texas, USA
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
> Andy Stetzinger
> andy at stetzinger.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

Andy Stetzinger
andy at stetzinger.com




From apratts at comcast.net  Tue Mar  4 10:50:32 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:50:32 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
Message-ID: <2A9099F0-5777-43FF-B6BD-84133CF6124B@comcast.net>

Bwahaha. Even the state get tons of them and no one has been prosecuted.

Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Andy Stetzinger <andy at stetzinger.com>  
wrote:

> Really? I look at that as a great money making opportunity.
>
> The Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA) is a federal law passed
> in 1991 that prohibits commercial faxes w/o prior authorization.
>
> If the fax was "deliberately" sent to you, minimum fine to the
> company is $500, and up to $1,500.
>
> For more info, http://www.junkfaxes.org
>
> 365.1657  Intrastate use of facsimile machine for unsolicited
> advertising; prohibition; penalties; injunctive relief.--
>
> (1)  It is unlawful for any person to use a machine that
> electronically transmits facsimiles of documents through connection
> with a telephone network to transmit within this state unsolicited
> advertising material for the sale of any real property, goods, or
> services.
>
> (2)  The Attorney General may bring an action to impose a civil
> penalty and to seek injunctive relief. The civil penalty shall not
> exceed $500 per violation. Each transmission shall be considered a
> separate violation.
>
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Dave Hudson wrote:
>
>> Is there a "Do Not FAX" database like the "Do Not Call" DB?
>>
>> I have started receiving 3 to 5 faxes a day for health care and
>> other crap
>> and its getting old...........
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
> Andy Stetzinger
> andy at stetzinger.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

From apratts at comcast.net  Tue Mar  4 10:51:00 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:51:00 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
	<e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93EE468D-E20C-4617-B59F-A0EFC69BA9E6@comcast.net>

There you go...

Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:04 AM, "Kevin Inscoe" <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:

> Ever try to collect on a judgement (if you even won)? Yeah good luck
> with that...
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Andy Stetzinger  
> <andy at stetzinger.com> wrote:
>> Really? I look at that as a great money making opportunity.
>>
>> The Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA) is a federal law passed
>> in 1991 that prohibits commercial faxes w/o prior authorization.
>>
>> If the fax was "deliberately" sent to you, minimum fine to the
>> company is $500, and up to $1,500.
>>
>> For more info, http://www.junkfaxes.org
>>
>> 365.1657  Intrastate use of facsimile machine for unsolicited
>> advertising; prohibition; penalties; injunctive relief.--
>>
>> (1)  It is unlawful for any person to use a machine that
>> electronically transmits facsimiles of documents through connection
>> with a telephone network to transmit within this state unsolicited
>> advertising material for the sale of any real property, goods, or
>> services.
>>
>> (2)  The Attorney General may bring an action to impose a civil
>> penalty and to seek injunctive relief. The civil penalty shall not
>> exceed $500 per violation. Each transmission shall be considered a
>> separate violation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Dave Hudson wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a "Do Not FAX" database like the "Do Not Call" DB?
>>>
>>> I have started receiving 3 to 5 faxes a day for health care and
>>> other crap
>>> and its getting old...........
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cfgeeks mailing list
>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>
>> Andy Stetzinger
>> andy at stetzinger.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
> Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
> Skype: ke3vin
> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
> Clark Powell
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

From andy at stetzinger.com  Tue Mar  4 10:51:43 2008
From: andy at stetzinger.com (Andy Stetzinger)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:51:43 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0803040745v40e95bd5v1a0c67e7d536a711@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
	<e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com>
	<6645152a0803040708j7b888eefyd17f9ebeb5023641@mail.gmail.com>
	<053E4946-C623-4820-A0DC-ADBC44410210@stetzinger.com>
	<005801c87e0e$65f472a0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<6645152a0803040745v40e95bd5v1a0c67e7d536a711@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6480071D-14D2-4F84-8790-E3E6FDB573AE@stetzinger.com>

I feel your pain on that one.

You do have to understand that the telemarketers hear that line all  
the time, and probably have a scripted response for it.

So, throw them a curve ball. I ask them for their companies credit  
card information, and tell them that my time is worth something to  
me. If they'd like to talk to me on the phone, I don't have a problem  
with that. It's $100, and I need a credit card number for processing.

Or, be like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sDKpa7D-TI

Up to you. :-)


On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:45 AM, John Mayson wrote:

> On 3/4/08, Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net> wrote:
>> I just added the number to the National DNC list.... maybe that will
>> help..... doubt it though.
>
> At first I thought the DNC list was working, but we're back to getting
> as much voice spam as before.  What just kills me is when I say,
> "We're on the do not call list, please remove me from your list" I get
> an earful about how they have the RIGHT to call me or are exempt or
> something.  Great, whatever, just don't call me again.  But the calls
> continue.
>
> Yes, I know some entities are exempt, but I don't see how life
> insurance pitches fall into this category.
>
> -- 
> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

Andy Stetzinger
andy at stetzinger.com




From kevin at inscoe.org  Tue Mar  4 10:52:40 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:52:40 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0803040745v40e95bd5v1a0c67e7d536a711@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
	<e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com>
	<6645152a0803040708j7b888eefyd17f9ebeb5023641@mail.gmail.com>
	<053E4946-C623-4820-A0DC-ADBC44410210@stetzinger.com>
	<005801c87e0e$65f472a0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<6645152a0803040745v40e95bd5v1a0c67e7d536a711@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90803040752x6cfbce0cq7ad9ef5fa02c448a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:45 AM, John Mayson <john at mayson.us> wrote:
> On 3/4/08, Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net> wrote:
>  > I just added the number to the National DNC list.... maybe that will
>  > help..... doubt it though.
>
>  At first I thought the DNC list was working, but we're back to getting
>  as much voice spam as before.  What just kills me is when I say,

I still say... the DNC is a confirmed cold calling list IMNSHO.

>  "We're on the do not call list, please remove me from your list" I get
>  an earful about how they have the RIGHT to call me or are exempt or
>  something.  Great, whatever, just don't call me again.  But the calls
>  continue.

Oh you stayed on that long?

I prefer the "Screamer":

http://www.quasarelectronics.com/3015.htm

>  Yes, I know some entities are exempt, but I don't see how life
>  insurance pitches fall into this category.

The "out" is if you have an existing (or did have) business
relationship. For instance the car loan you no longer have that bank
it's subsidiaries or who ever bought them has a permanent right to bug
the carp out of you, etc..

-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From apratts at comcast.net  Tue Mar  4 10:53:46 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:53:46 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <053E4946-C623-4820-A0DC-ADBC44410210@stetzinger.com>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
	<e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com>
	<6645152a0803040708j7b888eefyd17f9ebeb5023641@mail.gmail.com>
	<053E4946-C623-4820-A0DC-ADBC44410210@stetzinger.com>
Message-ID: <5A49348B-FA0E-40E6-AA1D-73F79FF0EA32@comcast.net>

I guess you are super extra lucky. Since a court barely enforce that.

Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Andy Stetzinger <andy at stetzinger.com>  
wrote:

> Actually, yes, I have successfully collected on a $5K judgement.
> While it wasn't for junk faxing, it serves as proof that sometimes
> the system does work the way it was intended too.
>
>
>
> However, overall, the idea on the junk faxing isn't to collect, just
> to get them to stop.
>
> On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:08 AM, John Mayson wrote:
>
>> On 3/4/08, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
>>> Ever try to collect on a judgement (if you even won)? Yeah good luck
>>> with that...
>>
>> I was going to point how gun-free zone laws prevent all shootings  
>> too,
>> but yeah, what he said.  :-)
>>
>> -- 
>> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
>> Austin, Texas, USA
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
> Andy Stetzinger
> andy at stetzinger.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Tue Mar  4 11:02:21 2008
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:02:21 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Wednesday night GoLUG meeting: Shawn McMahon speaks on
	SSH Keys
Message-ID: <200803041102.21638.slitt@troubleshooters.com>

Hi all,

Tomorrow night (Wednesday 3/5/2008) at 7pm our own Shawn McMahon will speak on 
SSH keys at the GoLUG meeting at the Seminole County Library in Casselberry:

215 N. Oxford Road
Casselberry, Florida 32707
407-665-1500

Shawn -- could you please send me a few-sentence bio (example: Shawn has been 
a Network Admin at Fedex since 1998), and a couple sentences expanding on 
what the audience will gain (ability to rsync securely without typing in 
passwords every time, for instance). I want to publicize this on a couple 
more lists.

Thanks

SteveT

From cfg at davehudson.net  Tue Mar  4 11:22:41 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:22:41 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <6480071D-14D2-4F84-8790-E3E6FDB573AE@stetzinger.com>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64><3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com><e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com><6645152a0803040708j7b888eefyd17f9ebeb5023641@mail.gmail.com><053E4946-C623-4820-A0DC-ADBC44410210@stetzinger.com><005801c87e0e$65f472a0$2201a8c0@davehp64><6645152a0803040745v40e95bd5v1a0c67e7d536a711@mail.gmail.com>
	<6480071D-14D2-4F84-8790-E3E6FDB573AE@stetzinger.com>
Message-ID: <005901c87e13$f8a37740$2201a8c0@davehp64>

That's is too funny! 

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Stetzinger [mailto:andy at stetzinger.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 10:52 AM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal

I feel your pain on that one.

You do have to understand that the telemarketers hear that line all the
time, and probably have a scripted response for it.

So, throw them a curve ball. I ask them for their companies credit card
information, and tell them that my time is worth something to me. If they'd
like to talk to me on the phone, I don't have a problem with that. It's
$100, and I need a credit card number for processing.

Or, be like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sDKpa7D-TI

Up to you. :-)


On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:45 AM, John Mayson wrote:

> On 3/4/08, Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net> wrote:
>> I just added the number to the National DNC list.... maybe that will 
>> help..... doubt it though.
>
> At first I thought the DNC list was working, but we're back to getting 
> as much voice spam as before.  What just kills me is when I say, 
> "We're on the do not call list, please remove me from your list" I get 
> an earful about how they have the RIGHT to call me or are exempt or 
> something.  Great, whatever, just don't call me again.  But the calls 
> continue.
>
> Yes, I know some entities are exempt, but I don't see how life 
> insurance pitches fall into this category.
>
> --
> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

Andy Stetzinger
andy at stetzinger.com



_______________________________________________
cfgeeks mailing list
cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From andy at stetzinger.com  Tue Mar  4 11:27:00 2008
From: andy at stetzinger.com (Andy Stetzinger)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:27:00 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <5A49348B-FA0E-40E6-AA1D-73F79FF0EA32@comcast.net>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
	<e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com>
	<6645152a0803040708j7b888eefyd17f9ebeb5023641@mail.gmail.com>
	<053E4946-C623-4820-A0DC-ADBC44410210@stetzinger.com>
	<5A49348B-FA0E-40E6-AA1D-73F79FF0EA32@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F6C71AF8-5997-412E-927C-B192767C42B8@stetzinger.com>

There's so much you can do with a judgement though. Put leans on  
homes, cars, boats.. anything the person owns and wants to sell  
someday... you can then put some pressure on the person... call them,  
have a lawyer call them, track them down... pretty much to the point  
of stalking...  and if it's a business case (which mine was) it's  
also very easy to tell anyone else that you have a judgement against  
the business, and that you wouldn't recommend anyone do business with  
them. The power of spoken word is still quite amazing.


On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Albert Pratts wrote:

> I guess you are super extra lucky. Since a court barely enforce that.
>
> Albert
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Andy Stetzinger <andy at stetzinger.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Actually, yes, I have successfully collected on a $5K judgement.
>> While it wasn't for junk faxing, it serves as proof that sometimes
>> the system does work the way it was intended too.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, overall, the idea on the junk faxing isn't to collect, just
>> to get them to stop.
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:08 AM, John Mayson wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/4/08, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
>>>> Ever try to collect on a judgement (if you even won)? Yeah good  
>>>> luck
>>>> with that...
>>>
>>> I was going to point how gun-free zone laws prevent all shootings
>>> too,
>>> but yeah, what he said.  :-)
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
>>> Austin, Texas, USA
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cfgeeks mailing list
>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>
>> Andy Stetzinger
>> andy at stetzinger.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

Andy Stetzinger
andy at stetzinger.com




From syberghost at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 11:35:41 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:35:41 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Wednesday night GoLUG meeting: Shawn McMahon
	speaks	on SSH Keys
In-Reply-To: <200803041102.21638.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
References: <200803041102.21638.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
Message-ID: <1204648541.19572.12.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 11:02 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Shawn -- could you please send me a few-sentence bio (example: Shawn has been 
> a Network Admin at Fedex since 1998), and a couple sentences expanding on 

I'd love to, but since Reply-To: is set to prevent that, it's a pain in
the butt.  ;)


-- 

   Shawn McMahon    |
   EIV Consulting   | in larido veritas
 http://www.eiv.com |
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From john at mayson.us  Tue Mar  4 11:48:53 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:48:53 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Wednesday night GoLUG meeting: Shawn McMahon speaks
	on SSH Keys
In-Reply-To: <1204648541.19572.12.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <200803041102.21638.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<1204648541.19572.12.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <6645152a0803040848x5bbc83e2p795a95b6e34db08c@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/4/08, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 11:02 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > Shawn -- could you please send me a few-sentence bio (example: Shawn has been
> > a Network Admin at Fedex since 1998), and a couple sentences expanding on
>
> I'd love to, but since Reply-To: is set to prevent that, it's a pain in
> the butt.  ;)

It's easy with Pine.  :-)

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From syberghost at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 11:59:34 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:59:34 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Wednesday night GoLUG meeting: Shawn McMahon
	speaks	on SSH Keys
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0803040848x5bbc83e2p795a95b6e34db08c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200803041102.21638.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<1204648541.19572.12.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<6645152a0803040848x5bbc83e2p795a95b6e34db08c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1204649974.19572.19.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 10:48 -0600, John Mayson wrote:
> >
> > I'd love to, but since Reply-To: is set to prevent that, it's a pain in
> > the butt.  ;)
> 
> It's easy with Pine.  :-)

It's amazing what you can do when you don't follow standards.  :)


-- 

   Shawn McMahon    |
   EIV Consulting   | in larido veritas
 http://www.eiv.com |
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From john at mayson.us  Tue Mar  4 12:01:57 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:01:57 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Wednesday night GoLUG meeting: Shawn McMahon speaks
	on SSH Keys
In-Reply-To: <1204649974.19572.19.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <200803041102.21638.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<1204648541.19572.12.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<6645152a0803040848x5bbc83e2p795a95b6e34db08c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1204649974.19572.19.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <6645152a0803040901t67d2eef1g85a17e210628a378@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/4/08, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 10:48 -0600, John Mayson wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd love to, but since Reply-To: is set to prevent that, it's a pain in
> > > the butt.  ;)
> >
> > It's easy with Pine.  :-)
>
> It's amazing what you can do when you don't follow standards.  :)

What standard says you can't change the To: in an email?

(John grumbles something about going back to UPS)

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From kevin at inscoe.org  Tue Mar  4 12:14:31 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:14:31 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Wednesday night GoLUG meeting: Shawn McMahon speaks
	on SSH Keys
In-Reply-To: <1204649974.19572.19.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <200803041102.21638.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<1204648541.19572.12.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<6645152a0803040848x5bbc83e2p795a95b6e34db08c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1204649974.19572.19.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90803040914s11343e4dn6908f208ccf2b639@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 10:48 -0600, John Mayson wrote:
>  > >
>  > > I'd love to, but since Reply-To: is set to prevent that, it's a pain in
>  > > the butt.  ;)
>  >
>  > It's easy with Pine.  :-)
>
>  It's amazing what you can do when you don't follow standards.  :)

Those "standards" would be me disabling it. Your choices are:

A) Whine and pout some more
B) Post it to the list so everyone can see it or
C) Make your own damn list.

-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From john at mayson.us  Tue Mar  4 12:16:04 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:16:04 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Wednesday night GoLUG meeting: Shawn McMahon speaks
	on SSH Keys
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90803040914s11343e4dn6908f208ccf2b639@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200803041102.21638.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<1204648541.19572.12.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<6645152a0803040848x5bbc83e2p795a95b6e34db08c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1204649974.19572.19.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<e8ce78c90803040914s11343e4dn6908f208ccf2b639@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6645152a0803040916q2dc9ffdcgca22d114f7ca226c@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/4/08, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
>
> Those "standards" would be me disabling it. Your choices are:
>
> A) Whine and pout some more
> B) Post it to the list so everyone can see it or
> C) Make your own damn list.

D) Just change the To: and reply privately.  :-)

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From syberghost at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 12:17:47 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:17:47 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Wednesday night GoLUG meeting: Shawn McMahon
	speaks	on SSH Keys
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0803040901t67d2eef1g85a17e210628a378@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200803041102.21638.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<1204648541.19572.12.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<6645152a0803040848x5bbc83e2p795a95b6e34db08c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1204649974.19572.19.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<6645152a0803040901t67d2eef1g85a17e210628a378@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1204651067.19572.24.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 11:01 -0600, John Mayson wrote:
> >
> > It's amazing what you can do when you don't follow standards.  :)
> 
> What standard says you can't change the To: in an email?

I can change the To: manually just fine.  What I can't do is have Reply,
Reply All, and List Reply do what they're supposed to do; they all go to
the list, because useful information and user choice was stripped out
and replaced with generic breakage by two decisions that combine to
remove a ton of modern mailer functionality.


-- 

   Shawn McMahon    |
   EIV Consulting   | in larido veritas
 http://www.eiv.com |
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 12:18:40 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:18:40 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Wednesday night GoLUG meeting: Shawn McMahon
	speaks	on SSH Keys
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References: <200803041102.21638.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<1204648541.19572.12.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
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Message-ID: <1204651120.19572.26.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 12:14 -0500, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
>
> A) Whine and pout some more
> B) Post it to the list so everyone can see it or
> C) Make your own damn list.

Well, I did one of those, so what's the problem?  :)


-- 

   Shawn McMahon    |
   EIV Consulting   | in larido veritas
 http://www.eiv.com |
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From john at mayson.us  Tue Mar  4 12:25:17 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:25:17 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Wednesday night GoLUG meeting: Shawn McMahon speaks
	on SSH Keys
In-Reply-To: <1204651120.19572.26.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <200803041102.21638.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<1204648541.19572.12.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<6645152a0803040848x5bbc83e2p795a95b6e34db08c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1204649974.19572.19.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
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	<1204651120.19572.26.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <6645152a0803040925r56b7cdfw85956a6a586e19fb@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/4/08, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 12:14 -0500, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
> >
> > A) Whine and pout some more
> > B) Post it to the list so everyone can see it or
> > C) Make your own damn list.
>
> Well, I did one of those, so what's the problem?  :)

Pssst!  A wasn't the answer.

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From apratts at comcast.net  Tue Mar  4 13:52:51 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:52:51 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <F6C71AF8-5997-412E-927C-B192767C42B8@stetzinger.com>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
	<e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com>
	<6645152a0803040708j7b888eefyd17f9ebeb5023641@mail.gmail.com>
	<053E4946-C623-4820-A0DC-ADBC44410210@stetzinger.com>
	<5A49348B-FA0E-40E6-AA1D-73F79FF0EA32@comcast.net>
	<F6C71AF8-5997-412E-927C-B192767C42B8@stetzinger.com>
Message-ID: <C4036E9F-FA69-471C-BE1C-2F5322E31F40@comcast.net>

Do you mean a lien? Good Luck. Honestly you are the first person I've  
seen so animated with this. Even a judge will laugh at it. What  
actually happened was that you were dealing with a nice person.

Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 4, 2008, at 11:27 AM, Andy Stetzinger <andy at stetzinger.com>  
wrote:

> There's so much you can do with a judgement though. Put leans on
> homes, cars, boats.. anything the person owns and wants to sell
> someday... you can then put some pressure on the person... call them,
> have a lawyer call them, track them down... pretty much to the point
> of stalking...  and if it's a business case (which mine was) it's
> also very easy to tell anyone else that you have a judgement against
> the business, and that you wouldn't recommend anyone do business with
> them. The power of spoken word is still quite amazing.
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Albert Pratts wrote:
>
>> I guess you are super extra lucky. Since a court barely enforce that.
>>
>> Albert
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Andy Stetzinger <andy at stetzinger.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, yes, I have successfully collected on a $5K judgement.
>>> While it wasn't for junk faxing, it serves as proof that sometimes
>>> the system does work the way it was intended too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> However, overall, the idea on the junk faxing isn't to collect, just
>>> to get them to stop.
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:08 AM, John Mayson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/4/08, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
>>>>> Ever try to collect on a judgement (if you even won)? Yeah good
>>>>> luck
>>>>> with that...
>>>>
>>>> I was going to point how gun-free zone laws prevent all shootings
>>>> too,
>>>> but yeah, what he said.  :-)
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
>>>> Austin, Texas, USA
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> cfgeeks mailing list
>>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>>
>>> Andy Stetzinger
>>> andy at stetzinger.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cfgeeks mailing list
>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
> Andy Stetzinger
> andy at stetzinger.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

From apratts at comcast.net  Tue Mar  4 13:57:20 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:57:20 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
Message-ID: <A69AACE0-7F31-482D-A66F-6EBD7070D5E0@comcast.net>

That statute only apply to local users.

Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Andy Stetzinger <andy at stetzinger.com>  
wrote:

> Really? I look at that as a great money making opportunity.
>
> The Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA) is a federal law passed
> in 1991 that prohibits commercial faxes w/o prior authorization.
>
> If the fax was "deliberately" sent to you, minimum fine to the
> company is $500, and up to $1,500.
>
> For more info, http://www.junkfaxes.org
>
> 365.1657  Intrastate use of facsimile machine for unsolicited
> advertising; prohibition; penalties; injunctive relief.--
>
> (1)  It is unlawful for any person to use a machine that
> electronically transmits facsimiles of documents through connection
> with a telephone network to transmit within this state unsolicited
> advertising material for the sale of any real property, goods, or
> services.
>
> (2)  The Attorney General may bring an action to impose a civil
> penalty and to seek injunctive relief. The civil penalty shall not
> exceed $500 per violation. Each transmission shall be considered a
> separate violation.
>
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2008, at 9:43 AM, Dave Hudson wrote:
>
>> Is there a "Do Not FAX" database like the "Do Not Call" DB?
>>
>> I have started receiving 3 to 5 faxes a day for health care and
>> other crap
>> and its getting old...........
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
> Andy Stetzinger
> andy at stetzinger.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks

From john at mayson.us  Tue Mar  4 13:58:28 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:58:28 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <C4036E9F-FA69-471C-BE1C-2F5322E31F40@comcast.net>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
	<e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com>
	<6645152a0803040708j7b888eefyd17f9ebeb5023641@mail.gmail.com>
	<053E4946-C623-4820-A0DC-ADBC44410210@stetzinger.com>
	<5A49348B-FA0E-40E6-AA1D-73F79FF0EA32@comcast.net>
	<F6C71AF8-5997-412E-927C-B192767C42B8@stetzinger.com>
	<C4036E9F-FA69-471C-BE1C-2F5322E31F40@comcast.net>
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On 3/4/08, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
> Do you mean a lien? Good Luck. Honestly you are the first person I've
> seen so animated with this. Even a judge will laugh at it. What
> actually happened was that you were dealing with a nice person.

Whoa... Albert correcting someone else's spelling.  The room is
spinning.  Hillary is campaigning against gun control.  X is a
rail-thin vegan.  Talking llamas are in my cubicle...

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From kevin at inscoe.org  Tue Mar  4 14:10:53 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:10:53 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <F6C71AF8-5997-412E-927C-B192767C42B8@stetzinger.com>
References: <005701c87e06$12983e50$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<3BDA4116-49A4-4AF6-BAC2-CE296F3DEC82@stetzinger.com>
	<e8ce78c90803040704oae0affeu660021a88bae5a46@mail.gmail.com>
	<6645152a0803040708j7b888eefyd17f9ebeb5023641@mail.gmail.com>
	<053E4946-C623-4820-A0DC-ADBC44410210@stetzinger.com>
	<5A49348B-FA0E-40E6-AA1D-73F79FF0EA32@comcast.net>
	<F6C71AF8-5997-412E-927C-B192767C42B8@stetzinger.com>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90803041110n224fb5e2h8458ecd0df82fead@mail.gmail.com>

Yes but then you become the bondsmen. I am not disagreeing with you
but or a judgment on someone with no pockets and who stiffed you under
2 grand in the end it's just not worth all the hassle. Been there,
lost the shirt. :-( There's the lie-yahs to feed, PI's to umm payoff,
police palms to grease... yadda yadda..

"The guys that make it are the guys that get in their cars at any
time. Get in at 3am, get up at 4. That's why there aint a repo man I
know that don't take speed." - Repo Man

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Andy Stetzinger <andy at stetzinger.com> wrote:
> There's so much you can do with a judgement though. Put leans on
>  homes, cars, boats.. anything the person owns and wants to sell
>  someday... you can then put some pressure on the person... call them,
>  have a lawyer call them, track them down... pretty much to the point
>  of stalking...  and if it's a business case (which mine was) it's
>  also very easy to tell anyone else that you have a judgement against
>  the business, and that you wouldn't recommend anyone do business with
>  them. The power of spoken word is still quite amazing.
>
>
>
>
>  On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Albert Pratts wrote:
>
>  > I guess you are super extra lucky. Since a court barely enforce that.
>  >
>  > Albert
>  >
>  > Sent from my iPhone
>  >
>  > On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Andy Stetzinger <andy at stetzinger.com>
>  > wrote:
>  >
>  >> Actually, yes, I have successfully collected on a $5K judgement.
>  >> While it wasn't for junk faxing, it serves as proof that sometimes
>  >> the system does work the way it was intended too.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> However, overall, the idea on the junk faxing isn't to collect, just
>  >> to get them to stop.
>  >>
>  >> On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:08 AM, John Mayson wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> On 3/4/08, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
>  >>>> Ever try to collect on a judgement (if you even won)? Yeah good
>  >>>> luck
>  >>>> with that...
>  >>>
>  >>> I was going to point how gun-free zone laws prevent all shootings
>  >>> too,
>  >>> but yeah, what he said.  :-)
>  >>>
>  >>> --
>  >>> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
>  >>> Austin, Texas, USA
>  >>> _______________________________________________
>  >>> cfgeeks mailing list
>  >>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>  >>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>  >>
>  >> Andy Stetzinger
>  >> andy at stetzinger.com
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> _______________________________________________
>  >> cfgeeks mailing list
>  >> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>  >> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > cfgeeks mailing list
>  > cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>  > http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
>  Andy Stetzinger
>  andy at stetzinger.com
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  cfgeeks mailing list
>  cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>  http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>



-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From kevin at inscoe.org  Tue Mar  4 14:14:50 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:14:50 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Radio Caroline the movie
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90803041114l6a82c071vecd6571bfb067c6f@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/a89685/branagh-joins-radio-caroline-movie.html

-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From apratts at comcast.net  Tue Mar  4 14:37:46 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:37:46 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0803041058u257e1076t987b66a9b5502c8b@mail.gmail.com>
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From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 14:44:24 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
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From andy at stetzinger.com  Tue Mar  4 14:57:08 2008
From: andy at stetzinger.com (Andy Stetzinger)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 14:57:08 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] FAX Number removal
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I don't know if it was "luck" or "stubborn persistence". Like I said,  
I stopped just short of stalking the guy (one man business doing home  
repair). He threatened to sue me, but I was well within my rights of  
free speech. I never said anything against quality of work (because  
he had done none). I just simply stated that I had a judgement  
against him, and he was refusing to pay. The whole ordeal lasted  
about two months.


On Mar 4, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Albert Pratts wrote:

> I agree with X on this. I see this everyday . Every time I get a  
> conviction on a traffic fatality case we get restitution fees for  
> the investigation. Ask HSMV if the ever collected any....  Andy was  
> just a lucky guy... Just check the court records...
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA.
>
>
> Kevin Inscoe wrote:
>>
>> Yes but then you become the bondsmen. I am not disagreeing with you
>> but or a judgment on someone with no pockets and who stiffed you  
>> under
>> 2 grand in the end it's just not worth all the hassle. Been there,
>> lost the shirt. :-( There's the lie-yahs to feed, PI's to umm payoff,
>> police palms to grease... yadda yadda..
>>
>> "The guys that make it are the guys that get in their cars at any
>> time. Get in at 3am, get up at 4. That's why there aint a repo man I
>> know that don't take speed." - Repo Man
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Andy Stetzinger  
>> <andy at stetzinger.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There's so much you can do with a judgement though. Put leans on
>>>  homes, cars, boats.. anything the person owns and wants to sell
>>>  someday... you can then put some pressure on the person... call  
>>> them,
>>>  have a lawyer call them, track them down... pretty much to the  
>>> point
>>>  of stalking...  and if it's a business case (which mine was) it's
>>>  also very easy to tell anyone else that you have a judgement  
>>> against
>>>  the business, and that you wouldn't recommend anyone do business  
>>> with
>>>  them. The power of spoken word is still quite amazing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Albert Pratts wrote:
>>>
>>>  > I guess you are super extra lucky. Since a court barely  
>>> enforce that.
>>>  >
>>>  > Albert
>>>  >
>>>  > Sent from my iPhone
>>>  >
>>>  > On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Andy Stetzinger  
>>> <andy at stetzinger.com>
>>>  > wrote:
>>>  >
>>>  >> Actually, yes, I have successfully collected on a $5K judgement.
>>>  >> While it wasn't for junk faxing, it serves as proof that  
>>> sometimes
>>>  >> the system does work the way it was intended too.
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >> However, overall, the idea on the junk faxing isn't to  
>>> collect, just
>>>  >> to get them to stop.
>>>  >>
>>>  >> On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:08 AM, John Mayson wrote:
>>>  >>
>>>  >>> On 3/4/08, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
>>>  >>>> Ever try to collect on a judgement (if you even won)? Yeah  
>>> good
>>>  >>>> luck
>>>  >>>> with that...
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>> I was going to point how gun-free zone laws prevent all  
>>> shootings
>>>  >>> too,
>>>  >>> but yeah, what he said.  :-)
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>> --
>>>  >>> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
>>>  >>> Austin, Texas, USA
>>>  >>> _______________________________________________
>>>  >>> cfgeeks mailing list
>>>  >>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>>  >>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>>  >>
>>>  >> Andy Stetzinger
>>>  >> andy at stetzinger.com
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >> _______________________________________________
>>>  >> cfgeeks mailing list
>>>  >> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>>  >> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>>  > _______________________________________________
>>>  > cfgeeks mailing list
>>>  > cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>>  > http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>>
>>>  Andy Stetzinger
>>>  andy at stetzinger.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>  cfgeeks mailing list
>>>  cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>>  http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From slitt at troubleshooters.com  Tue Mar  4 16:58:59 2008
From: slitt at troubleshooters.com (Steve Litt)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 16:58:59 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] SSH Key presentation at GoLUG meeting
Message-ID: <200803041659.00376.slitt@troubleshooters.com>

Hi all,

Tomorrow, Wednesday 3/5/2008 at 7pm at the Seminole County Library in 
Casselberry, the Greater Orlando Linux User Group (GoLUG) meeting will 
feature Shawn McMahon's presentation on SSH Keys.

Shawn has over 30 years of general computer experience, and has been a 
professional system administrator for the last 13.  He is currently employed 
by Fedex Services as a UNIX/Linux administrator specializing in security and 
SOX compliance.

This presentation will cover use of the public-key cryptography features of 
SSH to allow automation of remote administration tasks and file transfers, 
and ease performance of repetitive tasks on many machines without constantly 
typing passwords.

Location information and driving directions are at our old website here:
http://www.golug.net/#location_sem_library.

Info on the actual presentation is at our new website here:
http://www.golug.org/wiki/index.php/Infomeetings

Hope to see you all there.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Acting President, GoLUG

From kmk at sanitarium.net  Tue Mar  4 19:25:39 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:25:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] [GoLugTech] SSH Key presentation at GoLUG meeting
In-Reply-To: <200803041659.00376.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
References: <200803041659.00376.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803041923280.3180@asylum.sanitarium.net>

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I doubt I will make it this time.  Tomorrow is supposed to have the best
weather of the week and I want to ride over to bike week.  I will
probably get back in time but I will probably be pretty tired.

Someone do me a favor and mention S/Key.  I believe it is a wonderful
feature of ssh and it is by far the easiest/cheapest way to log into
your computer from someone else's computer without risking your password
to any key loggers they may be infected with.

- -- 
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~
 	Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
 	PGP public key available on web site.
~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Steve Litt wrote:

> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 16:58:59 -0500
> From: Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com>
> To: tech at golug.org, Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>,
>     Orlando Ruby Users Group Discussion <orug-discussion at googlegroups.com>,
>     Michael Levin <mike at cambridgeweb.ie>, president at cfcs.org
> Subject: [GoLugTech] SSH Key presentation at GoLUG meeting
> 
> Hi all,
>
> Tomorrow, Wednesday 3/5/2008 at 7pm at the Seminole County Library in
> Casselberry, the Greater Orlando Linux User Group (GoLUG) meeting will
> feature Shawn McMahon's presentation on SSH Keys.
>
> Shawn has over 30 years of general computer experience, and has been a
> professional system administrator for the last 13.  He is currently employed
> by Fedex Services as a UNIX/Linux administrator specializing in security and
> SOX compliance.
>
> This presentation will cover use of the public-key cryptography features of
> SSH to allow automation of remote administration tasks and file transfers,
> and ease performance of repetitive tasks on many machines without constantly
> typing passwords.
>
> Location information and driving directions are at our old website here:
> http://www.golug.net/#location_sem_library.
>
> Info on the actual presentation is at our new website here:
> http://www.golug.org/wiki/index.php/Infomeetings
>
> Hope to see you all there.
>
> Thanks
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> Acting President, GoLUG
> _______________________________________________
> Tech mailing list
> Tech at golug.org
> http://www.golug.org/mailman/listinfo/tech
>
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Tue Mar  4 19:48:56 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:48:56 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] [GoLugTech] SSH Key presentation at GoLUG meeting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803041923280.3180@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <200803041659.00376.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0803041923280.3180@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <1204678136.5735.7.camel@paragon>

On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 19:25 -0500, Kevin Korb wrote:
>
> Someone do me a favor and mention S/Key.  I believe it is a wonderful
> feature of ssh and it is by far the easiest/cheapest way to log into
> your computer from someone else's computer without risking your password
> to any key loggers they may be infected with.

Never used it and not qualified to cover it, but if there's time after
my presentation (there should be) I'd be happy to yield the floor.


From kmk at sanitarium.net  Tue Mar  4 19:58:05 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:58:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] [GoLugTech] SSH Key presentation at GoLUG meeting
In-Reply-To: <1204678136.5735.7.camel@paragon>
References: <200803041659.00376.slitt@troubleshooters.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0803041923280.3180@asylum.sanitarium.net>
	<1204678136.5735.7.camel@paragon>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803041957570.4671@asylum.sanitarium.net>

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Doesn't help if I'm not there :\

- -- 
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 	Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
 	PGP public key available on web site.
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:48:56 -0500
> From: Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Cc: tech at golug.org
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] [GoLugTech] SSH Key presentation at GoLUG meeting
> 
> On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 19:25 -0500, Kevin Korb wrote:
>>
>> Someone do me a favor and mention S/Key.  I believe it is a wonderful
>> feature of ssh and it is by far the easiest/cheapest way to log into
>> your computer from someone else's computer without risking your password
>> to any key loggers they may be infected with.
>
> Never used it and not qualified to cover it, but if there's time after
> my presentation (there should be) I'd be happy to yield the floor.
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
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From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Tue Mar  4 20:56:40 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:56:40 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Who runs bartertown!??!
Message-ID: <53EE1502-4C44-421E-A720-409A79E483C2@cfl.rr.com>

http://tinyurl.com/2fx8hd



From syberghost at gmail.com  Wed Mar  5 09:11:12 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:11:12 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] [Fwd: [Daily Illuminator] Gary Gygax]
Message-ID: <1204726272.16122.3.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

We all know this already, but I thought you might appreciate Steve
Jackson's take; especially the bit about the holiday.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
> From: webmaster at sjgames.com
> To: illuminator at sjgames.com
> Subject: [Daily Illuminator] Gary Gygax
> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 00:00:06 -0600
> 
> 
> Gary Gygax, co-creator of Dungeons & Dragons and a gaming icon for more than 30 years, died yesterday after repeated strokes and heart problems. He was 69.
> 
> Like the rest of my generation, I was introduced to roleplaying via Dungeons & Dragons because there wasn't anything else back then. My first, very lame, Dungeons & Dragons game was in college. Shortly after I became a (semi)professional and joined the Metagaming group, we started a D&D campaign, with Robert Taylor as the GM, and it was excellent. Decades later, I can still say that my biggest-ever thrill in roleplaying was when my first character got chainmail. No longer would I face certain death if I met an orc.
> 
> If not for Dungeons & Dragons, "adventure game" would still mean "cardboard chits on a hexmap." Which I love dearly, but would it ever have gotten out of the garage? And that's the least of it. Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson didn't just remake a hobby. They impacted all of Western culture. Fantasy fiction would still be a backwater had not D&D built an audience and a new generation of writers. Lord of the Rings would be something taught in college English classes, not a blockbuster movie trilogy. And consider: The direct lineal descendant of D&D is Worlds of Warcraft, which is, all by itself, what? A billion-dollar business now?
> 
> For the last few years, roleplayers have celebrated March 4 as "GM's Day." And now it's the day when the best-known GM of all time put down his dice. Going forward, this should also be a particular date on which we recall Gary and his contributions.-- Steve Jackson
> 
> Relevant links:AP news report on the CNN site (
>  http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/03/04/obit.gygax.ap/index.html ) Wired
>  news report (
>  http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/03/report-gary-gyg.html )
>  Wikipedia entry ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Gygax ) The Order
>  of the Stick tribute ( http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0536.html ) 

-- 

   Shawn McMahon    |
   EIV Consulting   | in larido veritas
 http://www.eiv.com |
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Wed Mar  5 15:30:15 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:30:15 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Dude, you're getting a Dell
Message-ID: <1204749015.16122.9.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

http://gizmodo.com/363657/dell-latitude-xfr-d630-will-stop-a-tank-shell-almost


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   Shawn McMahon    |
   EIV Consulting   | in larido veritas
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Wed Mar  5 16:15:04 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:15:04 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] It's A Time Thing
Message-ID: <1204751705.16122.11.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

Don't have time to catch up with Battlestar Galactica before the 4th
season?

The whole series recapped in 8 minutes, 31 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6yL_tMUDps


-- 

   Shawn McMahon    |
   EIV Consulting   | in larido veritas
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From cfg at davehudson.net  Wed Mar  5 20:05:31 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:05:31 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Hi Dave, welcome to the 21st Century..........
Message-ID: <003c01c87f26$2d03fce0$2201a8c0@davehp64>

Well, i finally broke down and bought me one of them new fangled USB
KVMs.......
 
I have had mixed results with USB crap in the past, but I have to say, this
one has me impressed.
 
It is completely "hardware" driven.... no drivers or anything else needed.
Someone finally got it right:
 
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6191569&st=usb+switch&lp=8&typ
e=product&cp=1&id=1067390694346
 
Hooked it up to my Workstation and Docking station and it works great - I'm
not using the audio switching or video (cuz I got dual inputs on my LCDs) so
I can't attest to that..... but at least now I can switch easily between my
work laptop and desk top....


From john at mayson.us  Wed Mar  5 23:20:56 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:20:56 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Hi Dave, welcome to the 21st Century..........
In-Reply-To: <003c01c87f26$2d03fce0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
References: <003c01c87f26$2d03fce0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
Message-ID: <6645152a0803052020k2c792cbahb8fa43fd998a611f@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/5/08, Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net> wrote:
> Well, i finally broke down and bought me one of them new fangled USB
>  KVMs.......
>
>  I have had mixed results with USB crap in the past, but I have to say, this
>  one has me impressed.

Wow.  I was about to ask for recommendations.  I'm getting a sweet
large dual monitor setup at work and I want to be able to swap between
my Flextronics laptop and customer laptop.

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From john at mayson.us  Wed Mar  5 23:26:44 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:26:44 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] I guess Palm Bay is next on the list?
Message-ID: <6645152a0803052026j729070a4qceb2439fba2043c4@mail.gmail.com>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080305/ap_on_hi_te/city_cheap_laptops_4

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Wed Mar  5 23:36:35 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:36:35 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] IAGT
Message-ID: <35140F8C-5CE4-4AA8-A49B-BC3DBC83467E@cfl.rr.com>

On the benefits of owning an operating system
"That allows us to innovate at a much faster rate than if we had to  
wait for Microsoft, like Dell and HP and everybody else does. Because  
Microsoft has their own timetable, for probably good reasons. I mean  
Vista took what -- seven or eight years? It's hard to get your new  
feature that you need for your new hardware if it has to wait eight  
years. So we can set our own priorities and look at things in a more  
holistic way from the point of view of the customer. It also means  
that we can take it and we can make a version of it to fit in the  
iPhone and the iPod. And, you know, we certainly couldn't do that if  
we didn't own it."
Steve Jobs

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Wed Mar  5 23:41:07 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:41:07 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Jobs on the iPhone
Message-ID: <2BC11FEE-04EE-4E13-9D95-9DDDAE3780DF@cfl.rr.com>

Didn't know this...  wow...
> Take the iPhone. We had a different enclosure design for this iPhone  
> until way too close to the introduction to ever change it. And I  
> came in one Monday morning, I said, 'I just don't love this. I can't  
> convince myself to fall in love with this. And this is the most  
> important product we've ever done.'
>
> "And we pushed the reset button. We went through all of the zillions  
> of models we'd made and ideas we'd had. And we ended up creating  
> what you see here as the iPhone, which is dramatically better. It  
> was hell because we had to go to the team and say, 'All this work  
> you've [done] for the last year, we're going to have to throw it  
> away and start over, and we're going to have to work twice as hard  
> now because we don't have enough time.' And you know what everybody  
> said? 'Sign us up.'
>
> "That happens more than you think, because this is not just  
> engineering and science. There is art, too. Sometimes when you're in  
> the middle of one of these crises, you're not sure you're going to  
> make it to the other end. But we've always made it, and so we have a  
> certain degree of confidence, although sometimes you wonder. I think  
> the key thing is that we're not all terrified at the same time. I  
> mean, we do put our heart and soul into these things."
>
Steve Jobs


From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Thu Mar  6 00:00:11 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:00:11 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] OK one more Jobs post...
Message-ID: <2EC4657C-5625-4EB2-A8E8-CC6ABB8CB441@cfl.rr.com>

"We've had one of these before, when the dot-com bubble burst. What I  
told our company was that we were just going to invest our way through  
the downturn, that we weren't going to lay off people, that we'd taken  
a tremendous amount of effort to get them into Apple in the first  
place -- the last thing we were going to do is lay them off. And we  
were going to keep funding. In fact we were going to up our R&D budget  
so that we would be ahead of our competitors when the downturn was  
over. And that's exactly what we did. And it worked. And that's  
exactly what we'll do this time."
Steve Jobs

Now that is rare.  Can you imagine the ball busting he had to put up  
with on that call?  The typical CEO would have gone into survival mode  
and signed off 30% of the work force the next week.

OK now my in a nutshell, why I admire Apple so much.

1) They own the whole product.  They don't sub-contract to HP for the  
code to run on the board that was sub-contracted to TI and the video  
interface and driver that was sub-contracted to Intel and the OS that  
makes it all work from some sub-contracted corp in India.  They're not  
waiting on Joe Schlep in some office somewhere so they can launch  
their product bug-free.  Their buck stops at One Infinite Loop.
2) Their products are to electronics like the gettysburg address is to  
speeches.  Microsoft would argue that a bulleted powerpoint is the way  
to express the Gettysburg Address, but it loses so much when whittled  
down to that.  If the Gettysburg Address was a powerpoint, nobody  
would have bought into it.



From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Thu Mar  6 00:05:42 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:05:42 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Jobs on the iPhone
In-Reply-To: <2BC11FEE-04EE-4E13-9D95-9DDDAE3780DF@cfl.rr.com>
References: <2BC11FEE-04EE-4E13-9D95-9DDDAE3780DF@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3C4D27D1-B411-45AC-9243-88D19A7B83E0@cfl.rr.com>


On Mar 5, 2008, at 11:41 PM, Gilbert Young wrote:
> Didn't know this...  wow...
>> Take the iPhone. We had a different enclosure design for this iPhone
>> until way too close to the introduction to ever change it. And I
>> came in one Monday morning, I said, 'I just don't love this. I can't
>> convince myself to fall in love with this. And this is the most
>> important product we've ever done.'
>>
>> "And we pushed the reset button. We went through all of the zillions
>> of models we'd made and ideas we'd had. And we ended up creating
>> what you see here as the iPhone, which is dramatically better. It
>> was hell because we had to go to the team and say, 'All this work
>> you've [done] for the last year, we're going to have to throw it
>> away and start over, and we're going to have to work twice as hard
>> now because we don't have enough time.' And you know what everybody
>> said? 'Sign us up.'
>>
>> "That happens more than you think, because this is not just
>> engineering and science. There is art, too. Sometimes when you're in
>> the middle of one of these crises, you're not sure you're going to
>> make it to the other end. But we've always made it, and so we have a
>> certain degree of confidence, although sometimes you wonder. I think
>> the key thing is that we're not all terrified at the same time. I
>> mean, we do put our heart and soul into these things."
>>
> Steve Jobs


Oh, quick tweak:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abilene_paradox



From cfg at davehudson.net  Thu Mar  6 06:52:15 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 06:52:15 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Hi Dave, welcome to the 21st Century..........
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0803052020k2c792cbahb8fa43fd998a611f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003c01c87f26$2d03fce0$2201a8c0@davehp64>
	<6645152a0803052020k2c792cbahb8fa43fd998a611f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002701c87f80$862dd070$2201a8c0@davehp64>

I would highly recommend it to you as it works well - switches quickly
between the two. 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Mayson [mailto:john at mayson.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:21 PM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Hi Dave, welcome to the 21st Century..........

On 3/5/08, Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net> wrote:
> Well, i finally broke down and bought me one of them new fangled USB  
> KVMs.......
>
>  I have had mixed results with USB crap in the past, but I have to 
> say, this  one has me impressed.

Wow.  I was about to ask for recommendations.  I'm getting a sweet large
dual monitor setup at work and I want to be able to swap between my
Flextronics laptop and customer laptop.

--
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu Mar  6 07:34:09 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:34:09 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] OK one more Jobs post...
In-Reply-To: <2EC4657C-5625-4EB2-A8E8-CC6ABB8CB441@cfl.rr.com>
References: <2EC4657C-5625-4EB2-A8E8-CC6ABB8CB441@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <47CFE4C1.9030103@inscoe.org>

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"I'm too sexy for my shirt..."

- --
Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu Mar  6 07:35:18 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:35:18 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Want
Message-ID: <47CFE506.1000801@inscoe.org>

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http://www.tinyscreenfuls.com/wp-content/uploads/iphone-entitlement.jpg

Yes Derek I am posting a link with no commentary.

- --
Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
GPG 0x61288D53                                          Skype: ke3vin













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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu Mar  6 07:36:40 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:36:40 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Works says they are getting us Macbook Pros...
Message-ID: <47CFE558.6000708@inscoe.org>

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.. maybe...

Mean while I have to go up to Boston in a few weeks

- --
Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
GPG 0x61288D53                                          Skype: ke3vin













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From john at mayson.us  Thu Mar  6 09:44:57 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:44:57 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] OK one more Jobs post...
In-Reply-To: <2EC4657C-5625-4EB2-A8E8-CC6ABB8CB441@cfl.rr.com>
References: <2EC4657C-5625-4EB2-A8E8-CC6ABB8CB441@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6645152a0803060644k665694bbk55db6f2ea02d873c@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/5/08, Gilbert Young <gjyoung at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> "We've had one of these before, when the dot-com bubble burst. What I
>  told our company was that we were just going to invest our way through
>  the downturn, that we weren't going to lay off people, that we'd taken
>  a tremendous amount of effort to get them into Apple in the first
>  place -- the last thing we were going to do is lay them off. And we
>  were going to keep funding. In fact we were going to up our R&D budget
>  so that we would be ahead of our competitors when the downturn was
>  over. And that's exactly what we did. And it worked. And that's
>  exactly what we'll do this time."
>  Steve Jobs

Companies that do this end up coming out on top after the economy
improves.  And companies that lay everyone off struggle.  Jobs sees
his employees as assets and not parasites sucking at the corporate
teat (which is what I think most large companies think of their
employees).


-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From john at mayson.us  Thu Mar  6 09:52:34 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:52:34 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Works says they are getting us Macbook Pros...
In-Reply-To: <47CFE558.6000708@inscoe.org>
References: <47CFE558.6000708@inscoe.org>
Message-ID: <6645152a0803060652j70d78b28lea81680152bc022b@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/6/08, Kevin P. Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
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>  Mean while I have to go up to Boston in a few weeks

You flying?  And you might want to try for a Massachusetts CCW.  They
gave me one and I got it fairly quickly.  :-)

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From syberghost at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 10:23:56 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:23:56 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Want
In-Reply-To: <47CFE506.1000801@inscoe.org>
References: <47CFE506.1000801@inscoe.org>
Message-ID: <1204817036.23437.10.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 07:35 -0500, Kevin P. Inscoe wrote:
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> http://www.tinyscreenfuls.com/wp-content/uploads/iphone-entitlement.jpg
> 
> Yes Derek I am posting a link with no commentary.

It had commentary, it just wasn't in English.  The shorthand word "Want"
in this case clearly meant "I, Kevin Inscoe, feel that this product does
something I would enjoy having done, and does so with sufficient
facility as to make it worth spending my hard-earned money, assuming I
have sufficient money available.  Further, I am confident that some of
the readers of CFGeeks will agree with these assessments and
conclusions, and so I present this product to you for you to evaluate
and possibly discuss."

You can get all that without even clicking the link; once you click the
link you can revise the language down quite a bit, such as making a
judgment whether X is likely to actually have or spend that money (for a
shirt, we'd probably judge "yes"; for a Ferrari, Naval vessel,
spacecraft, 50 gigawatt particle beam cannon, or supermodel, we'd
probably judge "no".)


-- 

   Shawn McMahon    |
   EIV Consulting   | in larido veritas
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From apratts at comcast.net  Thu Mar  6 10:27:21 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:27:21 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Works says they are getting us Macbook Pros...
In-Reply-To: <47CFE558.6000708@inscoe.org>
References: <47CFE558.6000708@inscoe.org>
Message-ID: <CA6736A9-0C47-4AAF-AF9F-2B4DD55C8F8C@comcast.net>

There you go.... You are getting a real work horse. Not because of  
Apple but the hardware configuration itself.

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Mar 6, 2008, at 7:36 AM, Kevin P. Inscoe wrote:

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> - --
> Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
> Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu Mar  6 10:28:09 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:28:09 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Want
In-Reply-To: <1204817036.23437.10.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <47CFE506.1000801@inscoe.org>
	<1204817036.23437.10.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90803060728o773f90bdk2dc628987678d34b@mail.gmail.com>

Uhh ok.

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 07:35 -0500, Kevin P. Inscoe wrote:
>  > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>  > http://www.tinyscreenfuls.com/wp-content/uploads/iphone-entitlement.jpg
>  >
>  > Yes Derek I am posting a link with no commentary.
>
>  It had commentary, it just wasn't in English.  The shorthand word "Want"
>  in this case clearly meant "I, Kevin Inscoe, feel that this product does
>  something I would enjoy having done, and does so with sufficient
>  facility as to make it worth spending my hard-earned money, assuming I
>  have sufficient money available.  Further, I am confident that some of
>  the readers of CFGeeks will agree with these assessments and
>  conclusions, and so I present this product to you for you to evaluate
>  and possibly discuss."
>
>  You can get all that without even clicking the link; once you click the
>  link you can revise the language down quite a bit, such as making a
>  judgment whether X is likely to actually have or spend that money (for a
>  shirt, we'd probably judge "yes"; for a Ferrari, Naval vessel,
>  spacecraft, 50 gigawatt particle beam cannon, or supermodel, we'd
>  probably judge "no".)
>
>
>  --
>
>    Shawn McMahon    |
>    EIV Consulting   | in larido veritas
>   http://www.eiv.com |
>
> _______________________________________________
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>  http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
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Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu Mar  6 10:28:45 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:28:45 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Works says they are getting us Macbook Pros...
In-Reply-To: <CA6736A9-0C47-4AAF-AF9F-2B4DD55C8F8C@comcast.net>
References: <47CFE558.6000708@inscoe.org>
	<CA6736A9-0C47-4AAF-AF9F-2B4DD55C8F8C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90803060728i5adbf6belf83a7d673d42b9c0@mail.gmail.com>

At least it boots linux. :-)

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
> There you go.... You are getting a real work horse. Not because of Apple but
> the hardware configuration itself.
>
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2008, at 7:36 AM, Kevin P. Inscoe wrote:
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> Mean while I have to go up to Boston in a few weeks
>
> - --
> Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
> Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
> GPG 0x61288D53                                          Skype: ke3vin
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Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From apratts at comcast.net  Thu Mar  6 10:34:00 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:34:00 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Works says they are getting us Macbook Pros...
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90803060728i5adbf6belf83a7d673d42b9c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47CFE558.6000708@inscoe.org>
	<CA6736A9-0C47-4AAF-AF9F-2B4DD55C8F8C@comcast.net>
	<e8ce78c90803060728i5adbf6belf83a7d673d42b9c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <957DEE9F-3A60-417B-9666-10FB5D0F7466@comcast.net>

Oh Yeah....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1Yr7IhB2Ro

But on the Pro is just faster....LOL

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Mar 6, 2008, at 10:28 AM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:

> At least it boots linux. :-)
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu Mar  6 11:15:46 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:15:46 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Now that the HD DVD wars are over time to review the
	causalities...
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90803060815r560216e7p7edeeaa9b5a2ef3b@mail.gmail.com>

.. and that would be us. Not only are the Blu-Ray prices NOT falling
and new devices are seeing delays but now they announce a new license
tier, a new spec and <surprise-shock-cha-ching> royalties!

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9886546-7.html

In short now that competition is dead... it's good to be da king!

Once again consumer assume the position.

-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From john at mayson.us  Thu Mar  6 13:53:03 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:53:03 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] Yeah, sure it will. IE8.
Message-ID: <6645152a0803061053k5c3d97ddi2e4c567dc62054ab@mail.gmail.com>

http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stories/M/MICROSOFT_IE8?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-03-06-09-00-53

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From apratts at comcast.net  Thu Mar  6 13:55:04 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:55:04 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Yeah, sure it will. IE8.
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0803061053k5c3d97ddi2e4c567dc62054ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6645152a0803061053k5c3d97ddi2e4c567dc62054ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2CF8656D-BE96-4639-9E2A-D9DA09BD6B62@comcast.net>

I believe you owe X a Coke Zero.

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On Mar 6, 2008, at 1:53 PM, John Mayson wrote:

> http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stories/M/MICROSOFT_IE8?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-03-06-09-00-53
>
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> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu Mar  6 16:08:04 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:08:04 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] It's getting to be that time of year again...
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90803061308s4054d65u6beae89186669cfb@mail.gmail.com>

ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3251.txt

-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From octo at logicprobe.org  Thu Mar  6 16:11:00 2008
From: octo at logicprobe.org (Derek Konigsberg)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:11:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] It's getting to be that time of year again...
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90803061308s4054d65u6beae89186669cfb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8ce78c90803061308s4054d65u6beae89186669cfb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0803061610490.29001@hyperion.logicprobe.org>

Obligatory Wikipedia URL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools'_Day_RFC

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, Kevin Inscoe wrote:

> ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc3251.txt
>
> -- 
> Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
> Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
> Skype: ke3vin
> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
> Clark Powell
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>

---------------------------
Derek Konigsberg
octo at logicprobe.org
http://hecgeek.blogspot.com
---------------------------

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Thu Mar  6 19:50:47 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:50:47 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Works says they are getting us Macbook Pros...
In-Reply-To: <957DEE9F-3A60-417B-9666-10FB5D0F7466@comcast.net>
References: <47CFE558.6000708@inscoe.org>
	<CA6736A9-0C47-4AAF-AF9F-2B4DD55C8F8C@comcast.net>
	<e8ce78c90803060728i5adbf6belf83a7d673d42b9c0@mail.gmail.com>
	<957DEE9F-3A60-417B-9666-10FB5D0F7466@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E8159AA1-A434-41B2-BDB2-9E44F1FE8523@cfl.rr.com>

When I have to I just run Linux (or any other x86 os) a Q emulator.

Get parallels, it is well worth it.


On Mar 6, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Albert Pratts wrote:
> Oh Yeah....
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1Yr7IhB2Ro
>
> But on the Pro is just faster....LOL
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2008, at 10:28 AM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
>
>> At least it boots linux. :-)
>>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Thu Mar  6 20:33:36 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 20:33:36 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] iPhone SDK site is slammed
Message-ID: <2471ABE9-AB2A-4574-A9AB-F502EE2AF322@cfl.rr.com>

http://developer.apple.com/iphone/program/

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Thu Mar  6 21:06:38 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:06:38 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Cue "thats no moon" jokes...
Message-ID: <B4913BC2-235A-479E-B0DE-5FDA7BA8B83A@cfl.rr.com>

http://tinyurl.com/23luvx



From apratts at comcast.net  Thu Mar  6 21:29:25 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:29:25 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] iPhone SDK site is slammed
In-Reply-To: <2471ABE9-AB2A-4574-A9AB-F502EE2AF322@cfl.rr.com>
References: <2471ABE9-AB2A-4574-A9AB-F502EE2AF322@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <47D0A885.9050101@comcast.net>

That was the news of the day....

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA.



Gilbert Young wrote:
> http://developer.apple.com/iphone/program/
>
>   

From kevin at inscoe.org  Fri Mar  7 07:05:19 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:05:19 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Orlando Urban Dare tomorrow
Message-ID: <47D12F7F.8070304@inscoe.org>

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From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Fri Mar  7 08:59:22 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:59:22 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] IA*T
Message-ID: <E68B6017-BA9A-4D5B-8E12-80EE9917EA00@cfl.rr.com>

Wanted to run down this yesterday but was too wrapped up

iPhone SDK will allow Voip over wifi.
has activesync connector now
can remote wipe phone
can set security policy
SDK is free, but $99 to publish apps on the iTunes store
iPhone emulator

from the notes it seems Sega ported it's entire console code to it in  
about 2 weeks.

spore was ported similarly.

most games used the accelerometer, very cool.

It's available now!

K nuf said.

From octo at logicprobe.org  Fri Mar  7 10:38:14 2008
From: octo at logicprobe.org (Derek Konigsberg)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 10:38:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] IA*T
In-Reply-To: <E68B6017-BA9A-4D5B-8E12-80EE9917EA00@cfl.rr.com>
References: <E68B6017-BA9A-4D5B-8E12-80EE9917EA00@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071037050.6560@hyperion.logicprobe.org>

Downloading now, for the heck of it.  (but I don't have an iPhone, nor do 
I plan on it)

Just looked briefly at some of the code samples.

It seems like this will be yet another reason to learn to code in 
Objective-C.  (the main environment seems based around Objective-C 2.0)

-Derek

On Fri, 7 Mar 2008, Gilbert Young wrote:

> Wanted to run down this yesterday but was too wrapped up
>
> iPhone SDK will allow Voip over wifi.
> has activesync connector now
> can remote wipe phone
> can set security policy
> SDK is free, but $99 to publish apps on the iTunes store
> iPhone emulator
>
> from the notes it seems Sega ported it's entire console code to it in
> about 2 weeks.
>
> spore was ported similarly.
>
> most games used the accelerometer, very cool.
>
> It's available now!
>
> K nuf said.
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>

---------------------------
Derek Konigsberg
octo at logicprobe.org
http://hecgeek.blogspot.com
---------------------------

From kevin at inscoe.org  Fri Mar  7 10:45:36 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 10:45:36 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] IA*T
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071037050.6560@hyperion.logicprobe.org>
References: <E68B6017-BA9A-4D5B-8E12-80EE9917EA00@cfl.rr.com>
	<Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071037050.6560@hyperion.logicprobe.org>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90803070745pc1f6699qfdcd6a59f2daeb8@mail.gmail.com>

Oh your kidding is that what they made it in? Groan....

On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Derek Konigsberg <octo at logicprobe.org> wrote:
> Downloading now, for the heck of it.  (but I don't have an iPhone, nor do
>  I plan on it)
>
>  Just looked briefly at some of the code samples.
>
>  It seems like this will be yet another reason to learn to code in
>  Objective-C.  (the main environment seems based around Objective-C 2.0)
>
>  -Derek
>
>
>
>  On Fri, 7 Mar 2008, Gilbert Young wrote:
>
>  > Wanted to run down this yesterday but was too wrapped up
>  >
>  > iPhone SDK will allow Voip over wifi.
>  > has activesync connector now
>  > can remote wipe phone
>  > can set security policy
>  > SDK is free, but $99 to publish apps on the iTunes store
>  > iPhone emulator
>  >
>  > from the notes it seems Sega ported it's entire console code to it in
>  > about 2 weeks.
>  >
>  > spore was ported similarly.
>  >
>  > most games used the accelerometer, very cool.
>  >
>  > It's available now!
>  >
>  > K nuf said.
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > cfgeeks mailing list
>  > cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>  > http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>  >
>
>  ---------------------------
>  Derek Konigsberg
>  octo at logicprobe.org
>  http://hecgeek.blogspot.com
>  ---------------------------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  cfgeeks mailing list
>  cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>  http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>



-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From john at mayson.us  Fri Mar  7 10:46:20 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:46:20 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] IA*T
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071037050.6560@hyperion.logicprobe.org>
References: <E68B6017-BA9A-4D5B-8E12-80EE9917EA00@cfl.rr.com>
	<Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071037050.6560@hyperion.logicprobe.org>
Message-ID: <6645152a0803070746j2fb49b0fw37d170d8938dedc9@mail.gmail.com>

Derek,

I visited your blog.  You want examples of bad code?  Boy, do I have some.

We had a gen-Y type who used to work here.  Bright guy, but arrogant
and full of himself.  He'd create VB programs that would blowup if you
made the smallest mistake.  An example is if you accidentally hit TAB
twice, leaving a mandatory field blank, instead of trapping that, it
would just crash.  His push back was we shouldn't be making entry
errors it wasn't up to his software to catch our mistakes.

We ended up dumping most of what he wrote because it was so bad.

John

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From syberghost at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 11:00:54 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:00:54 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] IA*T
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0803070746j2fb49b0fw37d170d8938dedc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E68B6017-BA9A-4D5B-8E12-80EE9917EA00@cfl.rr.com>
	<Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071037050.6560@hyperion.logicprobe.org>
	<6645152a0803070746j2fb49b0fw37d170d8938dedc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1204905654.28516.12.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 09:46 -0600, John Mayson wrote:
> Derek,
> 
> I visited your blog.  You want examples of bad code?  Boy, do I have some.

Derek wants examples of bad code?  That's easy, I'll just tar up my
~/bin and send it in.  :)


-- 

   Shawn McMahon    |
   EIV Consulting   | in larido veritas
 http://www.eiv.com |
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 11:08:06 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:08:06 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] IADNDT
Message-ID: <1204906086.28516.14.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

hahaha, you go Gary!

http://xkcd.com/393/


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From octo at logicprobe.org  Fri Mar  7 11:12:02 2008
From: octo at logicprobe.org (Derek Konigsberg)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 11:12:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] IA*T
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90803070745pc1f6699qfdcd6a59f2daeb8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E68B6017-BA9A-4D5B-8E12-80EE9917EA00@cfl.rr.com>
	<Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071037050.6560@hyperion.logicprobe.org>
	<e8ce78c90803070745pc1f6699qfdcd6a59f2daeb8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071111220.6820@hyperion.logicprobe.org>

That's what all of Apple's big-time development is in on MacOSX.

-Derek

On Fri, 7 Mar 2008, Kevin Inscoe wrote:

> Oh your kidding is that what they made it in? Groan....
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Derek Konigsberg <octo at logicprobe.org> wrote:
>> Downloading now, for the heck of it.  (but I don't have an iPhone, nor do
>>  I plan on it)
>>
>>  Just looked briefly at some of the code samples.
>>
>>  It seems like this will be yet another reason to learn to code in
>>  Objective-C.  (the main environment seems based around Objective-C 2.0)
>>
>>  -Derek
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Fri, 7 Mar 2008, Gilbert Young wrote:
>>
>> > Wanted to run down this yesterday but was too wrapped up
>> >
>> > iPhone SDK will allow Voip over wifi.
>> > has activesync connector now
>> > can remote wipe phone
>> > can set security policy
>> > SDK is free, but $99 to publish apps on the iTunes store
>> > iPhone emulator
>> >
>> > from the notes it seems Sega ported it's entire console code to it in
>> > about 2 weeks.
>> >
>> > spore was ported similarly.
>> >
>> > most games used the accelerometer, very cool.
>> >
>> > It's available now!
>> >
>> > K nuf said.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > cfgeeks mailing list
>> > cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> > http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>> >
>>
>>  ---------------------------
>>  Derek Konigsberg
>>  octo at logicprobe.org
>>  http://hecgeek.blogspot.com
>>  ---------------------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>  cfgeeks mailing list
>>  cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>  http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Kevin P. Inscoe        Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
> Deltona, FL 32738          28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org  http://kevininscoe.com
> Skype: ke3vin
> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
> Clark Powell
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>

---------------------------
Derek Konigsberg
octo at logicprobe.org
http://hecgeek.blogspot.com
---------------------------

From octo at logicprobe.org  Fri Mar  7 11:14:07 2008
From: octo at logicprobe.org (Derek Konigsberg)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 11:14:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cfgeeks] IA*T
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0803070746j2fb49b0fw37d170d8938dedc9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E68B6017-BA9A-4D5B-8E12-80EE9917EA00@cfl.rr.com>
	<Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071037050.6560@hyperion.logicprobe.org>
	<6645152a0803070746j2fb49b0fw37d170d8938dedc9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071112140.6820@hyperion.logicprobe.org>

How exactly is this an example of bad code?  It is a description of a user 
experience with bad software, but not a case of actually finding bad 
source code itself.

But, now that I've been egged on, I have a few more entries in-the-can 
that I could start posting up there :-)
(of course the really good stuff tends to be difficult to illustrate in 
short examples, since its anti-patterns spanning multiple classes and 
methods)

-Derek

On Fri, 7 Mar 2008, John Mayson wrote:

> Derek,
>
> I visited your blog.  You want examples of bad code?  Boy, do I have some.
>
> We had a gen-Y type who used to work here.  Bright guy, but arrogant
> and full of himself.  He'd create VB programs that would blowup if you
> made the smallest mistake.  An example is if you accidentally hit TAB
> twice, leaving a mandatory field blank, instead of trapping that, it
> would just crash.  His push back was we shouldn't be making entry
> errors it wasn't up to his software to catch our mistakes.
>
> We ended up dumping most of what he wrote because it was so bad.
>
> John
>
> -- 
> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>

---------------------------
Derek Konigsberg
octo at logicprobe.org
http://hecgeek.blogspot.com
---------------------------

From john at mayson.us  Fri Mar  7 11:18:52 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 10:18:52 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] IA*T
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071112140.6820@hyperion.logicprobe.org>
References: <E68B6017-BA9A-4D5B-8E12-80EE9917EA00@cfl.rr.com>
	<Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071037050.6560@hyperion.logicprobe.org>
	<6645152a0803070746j2fb49b0fw37d170d8938dedc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071112140.6820@hyperion.logicprobe.org>
Message-ID: <6645152a0803070818k120269e6o21751f9f250178ac@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/7/08, Derek Konigsberg <octo at logicprobe.org> wrote:
> How exactly is this an example of bad code?  It is a description of a user
>  experience with bad software, but not a case of actually finding bad
>  source code itself.

Code that allows itself to crash is, IMHO, bad code.

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From syberghost at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 11:28:30 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:28:30 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] IA*T
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0803070818k120269e6o21751f9f250178ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E68B6017-BA9A-4D5B-8E12-80EE9917EA00@cfl.rr.com>
	<Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071037050.6560@hyperion.logicprobe.org>
	<6645152a0803070746j2fb49b0fw37d170d8938dedc9@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071112140.6820@hyperion.logicprobe.org>
	<6645152a0803070818k120269e6o21751f9f250178ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1204907310.28516.21.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 10:18 -0600, John Mayson wrote:
> On 3/7/08, Derek Konigsberg <octo at logicprobe.org> wrote:
> > How exactly is this an example of bad code?  It is a description of a user
> >  experience with bad software, but not a case of actually finding bad
> >  source code itself.
> 
> Code that allows itself to crash is, IMHO, bad code.

Yeah, but you didn't post the source.  You're like Microsoft!


-- 

   Shawn McMahon    |
   EIV Consulting   | in larido veritas
 http://www.eiv.com |
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From john at mayson.us  Fri Mar  7 13:11:58 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:11:58 -0600
Subject: [cfgeeks] IA*T
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References: <E68B6017-BA9A-4D5B-8E12-80EE9917EA00@cfl.rr.com>
	<Pine.SOC.4.64.0803071037050.6560@hyperion.logicprobe.org>
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Message-ID: <6645152a0803071011s534203f8x29d52e0e5456bf3a@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/7/08, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 10:18 -0600, John Mayson wrote:
>  > On 3/7/08, Derek Konigsberg <octo at logicprobe.org> wrote:
>  > > How exactly is this an example of bad code?  It is a description of a user
>  > >  experience with bad software, but not a case of actually finding bad
>  > >  source code itself.
>  >
>  > Code that allows itself to crash is, IMHO, bad code.
>
>
> Yeah, but you didn't post the source.  You're like Microsoft!

Another site in Charlotte now owns the code, they've fixed a lot of
it, and it's proprietary.

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From kevin at inscoe.org  Fri Mar  7 14:12:59 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 14:12:59 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Fwd: [AF] You might be a ham if:
In-Reply-To: <010001c8805b$91b9c7b0$b52d5710$@midco.net>
References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080306210216.02c64c48@oldradio.com>
	<010001c8805b$91b9c7b0$b52d5710$@midco.net>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90803071112q3e1d676bgfde6a0aa9a566b71@mail.gmail.com>

yes a forward, shoot me. :-)


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gary Peterson <kzerocx at rap.midco.net>
Date: Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:59 AM
Subject: [AF] You might be a ham if:
To: The Alternate Frequency <af at radiolists.net>


You Might be a Ham Operator if:

 1. When you look at a full moon and wonder how much antenna gain you
 would need.

 2. When a friend gets a ride from you and remarks that you have a lot
 of CBs in your vehicle, it turns in to an hour long rant on how ham radio
 is not CB radio.

 3. When someone asks for directions, you pause, wondering if long or
 short path would be best.

 4. When you can look at a globe and be able to point to your antipode
 (and you know what an antipode is).

 5. Your cell phone ring tone is a Morse code message of some kind.

 6. You have accidentally said your Amateur Radio call sign at the end
 of a telephone conversation.

 7. Your favorite vacation spots are always on mountain tops.

 8. You notice more antennas than road signs while driving your car.

 9. You have driven onto the shoulder of the road while looking at an
 antenna.

 10. Porcupines appear to be fascinated with your car.

 11. If you ever tried to figure out the operating frequency of your
 microwave oven.

 12. When you look around your bedroom of wall to wall ham gear and ask:
  Why am I still single?

 13. The local city council doesn't like you.

 14. You actually think towers look pretty.

 15. Your family doesn't have a clue what to get you for Christmas, even
 after you tell them.

 16. Your HF amplifier puts out more power than the local AM radio
 station.

 17. The wife and kids are away and the first thing that goes through
 your head is that no one will bother you while you call "CQ DX" a few
 hundred times.

 18. When you pull into a donut shop and the cops there on their coffee
 break ask if they can see your radio setup.

 19. You refer to your children as your "Harmonics".

 20. Your girlfriend or wife asks: "You're going to spend $XXXX on
 what???

 21. You actually believe you got a good deal on eBay.

 22. When you see a house with a metal roof, and your only thought is
 what a great ground plane that would be.

 23. You have pictures of your radio equipment as wallpaper on your
 computer's desktop.

 24. Every family vacation includes a stop at a Ham radio store.

 25. The first question you ask the new car dealer is: "What is the
 alternator's current output"?

 26. You buy a brand new car based on the radio mounting locations and
 antenna mounting possibilities.

 27. You have tapped out Morse code on your car's horn.

 28. A lightning storm takes out a new Laptop, Plasma TV, and DVD
 Recorder, but all you care about is if your radios are okay.

 29. Your wife has had to ride in the back seat because you had radio
 equipment in the front seat.

 30. Your wife was excited when you were talking about achieving that
 critical angle, but very disappointed when you finally did.

 31. During a love making session with your wife, you stop to answer a
 call on the radio.

 32. Your wife threatens you with divorce when you tell her that you are
 going on a "fox" hunt.

 33. Talking about male and female connectors makes you feel excited.

 34. You dream of big, comfortable, knobs, but not on women.

 35. You always park on the top floor of the deck, just in case you
 might have to wait in the car later.

 36. When house hunting, you look for the best room for a radio shack
 and scan the property for possible tower placement.

 37. When house hunting, you give your realtor topographical maps
 showing local elevations.

 38. The real estate agent scratches his head when you ask if the soil
 conductivity is high, medium, or low.

 39. You have Ham radio magazines in the bathroom.

 40. When your doorbell rings, you immediately shut down the amplifier.

 41. Fermentation never enters your mind when "homebrew" is mentioned.

 42. Instead of just saying no, you have said "negative".

 43. You have used a person's name to indicate acknowledgement.

 44. You become impatient waiting for the latest AES catalog to arrive.

 45. You have found yourself whistling "CQ" using Morse code.

 46. You always schedule the last full weekend in June for vacation.

 47. You walk carefully in your back yard to avoid being close-lined.

 48. You have deep anxiety or panic attacks during high winds or heavy
 ice.

 49. You and the FedEx/UPS men are on a first name basis.

 50. You really start to miss people that you've never seen.

 51. Your exercise machine is a Morse code keyer.

 52. You walk through the plumbing section at the hardware store and see
 antenna parts.

 53. Your neighbors thought you were nuts w