From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu May  1 08:01:40 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 08:01:40 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] So who's going to Blackberry show in Orlando?
Message-ID: <4819B124.4030909@inscoe.org>

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http://www.wirelessenterprisesymposium.com/

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From syberghost at gmail.com  Thu May  1 09:14:06 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 09:14:06 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Pidgin forked
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90804301609u2248282eg2487cedef818cdcf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1209588200.3433.32.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<e8ce78c90804301609u2248282eg2487cedef818cdcf@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 19:09 -0400, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
> "Written in 	C, C#, Perl, Python, Tcl"
> 
> WTH?

Plugins.  It supports Perl, Python, and Tcl plugins.  That's the kind of
crap the Pidgin devs focus on instead of fixing user complaints.


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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu May  1 11:12:18 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:12:18 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Pidgin forked
In-Reply-To: <1209647646.13618.3.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <1209588200.3433.32.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<e8ce78c90804301609u2248282eg2487cedef818cdcf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1209647646.13618.3.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90805010812q6afa98acv780e3bd1dbb9ebee@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry but "plugins" are NOT "written in...".

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 19:09 -0400, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
>  > "Written in   C, C#, Perl, Python, Tcl"
>  >
>  > WTH?
>
>  Plugins.  It supports Perl, Python, and Tcl plugins.  That's the kind of
>  crap the Pidgin devs focus on instead of fixing user complaints.
>
>
>  --
>
>
>
>    Shawn McMahon    |
>    EIV Consulting   | in larido veritas
>   http://www.eiv.com |
>
> _______________________________________________
>  cfgeeks mailing list
>  cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>  http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
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>



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Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From cfg at davehudson.net  Thu May  1 11:17:04 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:17:04 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] DOH! - Don't forget  "Cool + Quiet = Slow"
Message-ID: <000d01c8ab9e$6a2018d0$3e604a70$@net>

Well, I have my new system up and running.

 

It's a Lenovo Desktop w/ Intel Dual Core Duo @ 2ghz with 3gb ram and an ati
3780 graphics card.

 

The cool thing I like about it is that it has a "power dial" on the front.
You can set it to "cool and quiet", "Auto",  and "Turbo" (7 mhz button!) J

 

So when I'm just surfing the net or email or doing papers I leave it on cool
and quiet.  It really works well;  the heat in my office is much lower and
it is whisper quiet.

 

However, this morning I started.. Ummm. making a back up copy of a DVD and
forgot to set the knob back to "auto".

 

I just logged in to check on something and saw handbrake still running.. It
normally takes about 2 hours to "backup" my dvds (I use 2-pass encoding).
When I logged in, it still has 5 hours to go and was cranking out a whopping
10 frames per second!!!

 

LOL - only bad thing is it is hardware knob.. So I can't switch it over from
here!

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From kmk at sanitarium.net  Thu May  1 11:21:57 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:21:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cfgeeks] DOH! - Don't forget  "Cool + Quiet = Slow"
In-Reply-To: <000d01c8ab9e$6a2018d0$3e604a70$@net>
References: <000d01c8ab9e$6a2018d0$3e604a70$@net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805011120480.3814@asylum.sanitarium.net>

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Huh?  I haven't seen a system with manual power saving features in
years.  What you need is CPU frequency scaling within the kernel.  It is
nice and automatic.  The more CPU power you use the more you have.

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On Thu, 1 May 2008, Dave Hudson wrote:

> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:17:04 -0400
> From: Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net>
> To: 'Central Florida Geeks' <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: [cfgeeks] DOH! - Don't forget  "Cool + Quiet = Slow"
> 
> Well, I have my new system up and running.
>
>
>
> It's a Lenovo Desktop w/ Intel Dual Core Duo @ 2ghz with 3gb ram and an ati
> 3780 graphics card.
>
>
>
> The cool thing I like about it is that it has a "power dial" on the front.
> You can set it to "cool and quiet", "Auto",  and "Turbo" (7 mhz button!) J
>
>
>
> So when I'm just surfing the net or email or doing papers I leave it on cool
> and quiet.  It really works well;  the heat in my office is much lower and
> it is whisper quiet.
>
>
>
> However, this morning I started.. Ummm. making a back up copy of a DVD and
> forgot to set the knob back to "auto".
>
>
>
> I just logged in to check on something and saw handbrake still running.. It
> normally takes about 2 hours to "backup" my dvds (I use 2-pass encoding).
> When I logged in, it still has 5 hours to go and was cranking out a whopping
> 10 frames per second!!!
>
>
>
> LOL - only bad thing is it is hardware knob.. So I can't switch it over from
> here!
>
>
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Thu May  1 11:22:21 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:22:21 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Pidgin forked
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90805010812q6afa98acv780e3bd1dbb9ebee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1209588200.3433.32.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
	<e8ce78c90804301609u2248282eg2487cedef818cdcf@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 11:12 -0400, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
> Sorry but "plugins" are NOT "written in...".

Some key functionality is written in those plugins, which are shipped
with it.  So it's arguable, if you're inclined to argue.  :)


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From cfg at davehudson.net  Thu May  1 11:32:03 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:32:03 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] QOTD - Can you spell DHCP?
Message-ID: <002101c8aba0$820c4b60$8624e220$@net>

"This is a true story..."

Tuesday, April 29, 2008, 11:40 am est

[DH] = Dave Hudson
[SR] = Support Rep
--------------------------------------------------------
[DH]  Dial Helpdesk.....
[SR]  Good morning Global Service Center can I help you?
[DH]  Hi, good morning.  I just got into the office.  I have plugged up to
the network and am not getting an IP address.  I also tried wireless and I'm
not getting one either.
[SR]  Ok - is anyone else around you having that problem?
[DH]  Well, I was kinda hoping you could tell me that.....
[SR]  <<Silence>>  (apparently this model of SR did not come with a sense of
humor preinstalled)
[DH]  Ok - I am getting a connection to the network, but no IP.  I can't
ping the DHCP server, so I believe its down again.
[SR]  Did you try rebooting your computer?
[DH]  (lying of course) Yes
[DH]  Since I'm getting a connection through wired and wireless but my
request to renew IP is coming back with "DHCP server is not responding", I'm
pretty sure it's a problem with the DHCP server here in HQ.
[SR]  Ok - I'll need to escalate this.   Where are you?
[DH]  <<give details>>
[SR]  OK - I'm just making a note here... that was a "DH what server"??
**QOTD from a Help Desk Tech**
[DH]  DHCP
[SR]  Can you spell that?
[DH]  <<smacking head on desk>> D - H - C - P .... Just assign the ticket to
Tom and he will know
[SR]  Ok, thanks - your ticket number is xxxxxxx
[DH]  Ok - thanks.

<<5 mins later I get a call from Tom>>
[T]  Hey Dave - the DHCP server stopped responding again.  We'll have it
back up in 5 mins.
[DH]  Thanks

And we wonder why our first call resolution is 15%...... keep in mind.....
we are not outsourcing to India and it is NOT a Scripted helpdesk.  These
people are supposed to be able to do level 1 and some level 2 resolution!  I
don't expect them to know how to bounce the DHCP server.. but I expect them
to at least know what one is!




From cfg at davehudson.net  Thu May  1 11:36:54 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:36:54 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] DOH! - Don't forget  "Cool + Quiet = Slow"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805011120480.3814@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <000d01c8ab9e$6a2018d0$3e604a70$@net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805011120480.3814@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <002201c8aba1$2f59ae70$8e0d0b50$@net>

Yeah - this CPU does that (specifically why I got the DUO, which has these
features).

But it is always and algorithm where its basing speed needs on demand and a
few quick spikes can rev the thing up, so I like the quiet and cool mode
which always forces it to stay at a slower speed.  And in actuality, its
fine that it's going to take 5 hours.... I'm not at home and it keeps the
machine cooler.  In theory this should extend the life of my equipment.

If I left it in Auto, it would slow down and speed up automatically.  As is
the case here though, it would have been in "high speed/power" mode this
morning for 2 hours and then slowed down when it was done.

Would be an interesting case study... which one is actually better?   Finish
the job in 2 hours at full speed and then slow down and be quiet, or go slow
and steady for 5 hours.   

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Korb [mailto:kmk at sanitarium.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:22 AM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] DOH! - Don't forget "Cool + Quiet = Slow"

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Huh?  I haven't seen a system with manual power saving features in
years.  What you need is CPU frequency scaling within the kernel.  It is
nice and automatic.  The more CPU power you use the more you have.

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 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
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 	PGP public key available on web site.
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On Thu, 1 May 2008, Dave Hudson wrote:

> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:17:04 -0400
> From: Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net>
> To: 'Central Florida Geeks' <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: [cfgeeks] DOH! - Don't forget  "Cool + Quiet = Slow"
> 
> Well, I have my new system up and running.
>
>
>
> It's a Lenovo Desktop w/ Intel Dual Core Duo @ 2ghz with 3gb ram and an
ati
> 3780 graphics card.
>
>
>
> The cool thing I like about it is that it has a "power dial" on the front.
> You can set it to "cool and quiet", "Auto",  and "Turbo" (7 mhz button!) J
>
>
>
> So when I'm just surfing the net or email or doing papers I leave it on
cool
> and quiet.  It really works well;  the heat in my office is much lower and
> it is whisper quiet.
>
>
>
> However, this morning I started.. Ummm. making a back up copy of a DVD and
> forgot to set the knob back to "auto".
>
>
>
> I just logged in to check on something and saw handbrake still running..
It
> normally takes about 2 hours to "backup" my dvds (I use 2-pass encoding).
> When I logged in, it still has 5 hours to go and was cranking out a
whopping
> 10 frames per second!!!
>
>
>
> LOL - only bad thing is it is hardware knob.. So I can't switch it over
from
> here!
>
>
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu May  1 11:46:16 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:46:16 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] QOTD - Can you spell DHCP?
In-Reply-To: <002101c8aba0$820c4b60$8624e220$@net>
References: <002101c8aba0$820c4b60$8624e220$@net>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90805010846v1a81f2c4m262ac63ba8644900@mail.gmail.com>

Call takers are trained to *get rid of you* not help you.

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net> wrote:
> "This is a true story..."
>
>  Tuesday, April 29, 2008, 11:40 am est
>
>  [DH] = Dave Hudson
>  [SR] = Support Rep
>  --------------------------------------------------------
>  [DH]  Dial Helpdesk.....
>  [SR]  Good morning Global Service Center can I help you?
>  [DH]  Hi, good morning.  I just got into the office.  I have plugged up to
>  the network and am not getting an IP address.  I also tried wireless and I'm
>  not getting one either.
>  [SR]  Ok - is anyone else around you having that problem?
>  [DH]  Well, I was kinda hoping you could tell me that.....
>  [SR]  <<Silence>>  (apparently this model of SR did not come with a sense of
>  humor preinstalled)
>  [DH]  Ok - I am getting a connection to the network, but no IP.  I can't
>  ping the DHCP server, so I believe its down again.
>  [SR]  Did you try rebooting your computer?
>  [DH]  (lying of course) Yes
>  [DH]  Since I'm getting a connection through wired and wireless but my
>  request to renew IP is coming back with "DHCP server is not responding", I'm
>  pretty sure it's a problem with the DHCP server here in HQ.
>  [SR]  Ok - I'll need to escalate this.   Where are you?
>  [DH]  <<give details>>
>  [SR]  OK - I'm just making a note here... that was a "DH what server"??
>  **QOTD from a Help Desk Tech**
>  [DH]  DHCP
>  [SR]  Can you spell that?
>  [DH]  <<smacking head on desk>> D - H - C - P .... Just assign the ticket to
>  Tom and he will know
>  [SR]  Ok, thanks - your ticket number is xxxxxxx
>  [DH]  Ok - thanks.
>
>  <<5 mins later I get a call from Tom>>
>  [T]  Hey Dave - the DHCP server stopped responding again.  We'll have it
>  back up in 5 mins.
>  [DH]  Thanks
>
>  And we wonder why our first call resolution is 15%...... keep in mind.....
>  we are not outsourcing to India and it is NOT a Scripted helpdesk.  These
>  people are supposed to be able to do level 1 and some level 2 resolution!  I
>  don't expect them to know how to bounce the DHCP server.. but I expect them
>  to at least know what one is!
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  cfgeeks mailing list
>  cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>  http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>



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kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From syberghost at gmail.com  Thu May  1 11:48:17 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:48:17 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] QOTD - Can you spell DHCP?
In-Reply-To: <002101c8aba0$820c4b60$8624e220$@net>
References: <002101c8aba0$820c4b60$8624e220$@net>
Message-ID: <1209656897.13618.16.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>

On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 11:32 -0400, Dave Hudson wrote:
> "This is a true story..."

That would make a fine post on
http://community.livejournal.com/techsupport/


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From kmk at sanitarium.net  Thu May  1 11:58:45 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:58:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cfgeeks] QOTD - Can you spell DHCP?
In-Reply-To: <1209656897.13618.16.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
References: <002101c8aba0$820c4b60$8624e220$@net>
	<1209656897.13618.16.camel@sars.mco.dss.fedex.com>
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Or http://sharkbait.computerworld.com/

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On Thu, 1 May 2008, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:48:17 -0400
> From: Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] QOTD - Can you spell DHCP?
> 
> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 11:32 -0400, Dave Hudson wrote:
>> "This is a true story..."
>
> That would make a fine post on
> http://community.livejournal.com/techsupport/
>
>
>
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From john at mayson.us  Thu May  1 12:09:27 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 11:09:27 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] QOTD - Can you spell DHCP?
In-Reply-To: <002101c8aba0$820c4b60$8624e220$@net>
References: <002101c8aba0$820c4b60$8624e220$@net>
Message-ID: <6645152a0805010909k3ac01c93k2b454f6a976cc676@mail.gmail.com>

This is one reason I like Road Runner over AT&T DSL. I've never had
DSL, but my understanding is they treat all customers like they're
morons.  When I call Road Runner I can say, "I pinged this...  My IP
address is this..." they figure out I'm not a moron (a complete one
anyway) and will jump a few pages ahead in the call guide.  I'm told
AT&T will not do that.  You have to sit through, "Is your computer
turned on?  Is the network cable plugged in?  Do you blinky lights on
your DSL router?"
-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From apratts at comcast.net  Thu May  1 12:42:58 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:42:58 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Psystar Open Computer notes, benchmarks and video
Message-ID: <9F575FBD-FABB-40BF-82FB-066EA3258ABE@comcast.net>

Is that a plane taking off...LOL  Way to slow.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-notes-benchmarks-and-video/

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu May  1 12:54:08 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:54:08 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Psystar Open Computer notes, benchmarks and video
In-Reply-To: <9F575FBD-FABB-40BF-82FB-066EA3258ABE@comcast.net>
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Pystart is chinese vapor.

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
> Is that a plane taking off...LOL  Way to slow.
>
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-notes-benchmarks-and-video/
>
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
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kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu May  1 12:55:24 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:55:24 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Want: my next tower.
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90805010955x7d26ed25m77619ed4553f8687@mail.gmail.com>

http://englishrussia.com/?p=1882#more-1882

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Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From apratts at comcast.net  Thu May  1 12:56:23 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:56:23 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Psystar Open Computer notes, benchmarks and video
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Actually they are Cubans.... ;-)

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On May 1, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:

> Pystart is chinese vapor.
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>  
> wrote:
>> Is that a plane taking off...LOL  Way to slow.
>>
>>
>> http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-notes-benchmarks-and-video/
>>
>>
>> Albert Pratts
>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>
>>
>>
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> Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
> Skype: ke3vin
> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu May  1 13:14:39 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:14:39 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Psystar Open Computer notes, benchmarks and video
In-Reply-To: <2DB47933-C07F-4019-B886-FAE92B31931F@comcast.net>
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Yeah and I have a Mac Clone to sell you.  C cubed: China, Cuba, Communist

http://www.zibb.com/all/theme/c/pystar.com

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=P07000077580&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=PSYSTAR&names_filing_type=

http://gizmodo.com/380488/psystar-exposed-looks-like-a-hoax?cpage=2

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
> Actually they are Cubans.... ;-)
>
>
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
>
> On May 1, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
> Pystart is chinese vapor.
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
> Is that a plane taking off...LOL  Way to slow.
>
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-notes-benchmarks-and-video/
>
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
>
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> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
> Skype: ke3vin
> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
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Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From apratts at comcast.net  Thu May  1 13:21:17 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:21:17 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Psystar Open Computer notes, benchmarks and video
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90805011014m455863caiaec1fc8b43d1d8ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9F575FBD-FABB-40BF-82FB-066EA3258ABE@comcast.net>
	<e8ce78c90805010954s472b107fm2cf333665d548d80@mail.gmail.com>
	<2DB47933-C07F-4019-B886-FAE92B31931F@comcast.net>
	<e8ce78c90805011014m455863caiaec1fc8b43d1d8ff@mail.gmail.com>
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I guess you missed this,,,,

http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9932331-37.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=OneMoreThing

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On May 1, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:

> Yeah and I have a Mac Clone to sell you.  C cubed: China, Cuba,  
> Communist
>
> http://www.zibb.com/all/theme/c/pystar.com
>
> http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=P07000077580&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=PSYSTAR&names_filing_type=
>
> http://gizmodo.com/380488/psystar-exposed-looks-like-a-hoax?cpage=2
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>  
> wrote:
>> Actually they are Cubans.... ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Albert Pratts
>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 1, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
>> Pystart is chinese vapor.
>>
>> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Albert Pratts  
>> <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Is that a plane taking off...LOL  Way to slow.
>>
>>
>> http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-notes-benchmarks-and-video/
>>
>>
>> Albert Pratts
>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
>> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
>> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
>> Skype: ke3vin
>> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
>> Clark Powell
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
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> Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
> Skype: ke3vin
> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu May  1 13:25:17 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:25:17 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Psystar Open Computer notes, benchmarks and video
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So you gonna buy one and do a review? ;-)

BY the way here's a hint the Chinese always deliver... something...
it's the quantity the some how lacks.

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
> I guess you missed this,,,,
>
>
> http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9932331-37.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=OneMoreThing
>
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 1, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
> Yeah and I have a Mac Clone to sell you.  C cubed: China, Cuba, Communist
>
> http://www.zibb.com/all/theme/c/pystar.com
>
> http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=P07000077580&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=PSYSTAR&names_filing_type=
>
> http://gizmodo.com/380488/psystar-exposed-looks-like-a-hoax?cpage=2
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
> Actually they are Cubans.... ;-)
>
>
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
>
> On May 1, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
> Pystart is chinese vapor.
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
> Is that a plane taking off...LOL  Way to slow.
>
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-notes-benchmarks-and-video/
>
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
> --
> Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
> Skype: ke3vin
> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
> Clark Powell
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> Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
> Skype: ke3vin
> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
> Clark Powell
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Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu May  1 13:30:27 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:30:27 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Psystar Open Computer notes, benchmarks and video
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90805011025w6f5511faid397be8b12fe6d28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9F575FBD-FABB-40BF-82FB-066EA3258ABE@comcast.net>
	<e8ce78c90805010954s472b107fm2cf333665d548d80@mail.gmail.com>
	<2DB47933-C07F-4019-B886-FAE92B31931F@comcast.net>
	<e8ce78c90805011014m455863caiaec1fc8b43d1d8ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<EA956B9D-AA43-4458-AD2F-A2F037B87D09@comcast.net>
	<e8ce78c90805011025w6f5511faid397be8b12fe6d28@mail.gmail.com>
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BTW first they said this:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11428653

and now...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3822568.ece

Here's how China works: They establish lines into your company, never
manage to finish the work all the while raping what your country has
with no taxes and cheap imports.

Do you think the "open machines" are made in the USA? Cuba? Think again.

Whew is that bad fish I smell?

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
> So you gonna buy one and do a review? ;-)
>
>  BY the way here's a hint the Chinese always deliver... something...
>  it's the quantity the some how lacks.
>
>
>
>  On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
>  > I guess you missed this,,,,
>  >
>  >
>  > http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9932331-37.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=OneMoreThing
>  >
>  >
>  > Albert Pratts
>  > Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On May 1, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
>  > Yeah and I have a Mac Clone to sell you.  C cubed: China, Cuba, Communist
>  >
>  > http://www.zibb.com/all/theme/c/pystar.com
>  >
>  > http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=P07000077580&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=PSYSTAR&names_filing_type=
>  >
>  > http://gizmodo.com/380488/psystar-exposed-looks-like-a-hoax?cpage=2
>  >
>  > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
>  > Actually they are Cubans.... ;-)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Albert Pratts
>  > Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On May 1, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
>  > Pystart is chinese vapor.
>  >
>  > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
>  > Is that a plane taking off...LOL  Way to slow.
>  >
>  >
>  > http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-notes-benchmarks-and-video/
>  >
>  >
>  > Albert Pratts
>  > Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
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>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  > Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
>  > Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
>  > kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
>  > Skype: ke3vin
>  > "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
>  > Clark Powell
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > cfgeeks mailing list
>  > cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
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>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  > Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
>  > Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
>  > kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
>  > Skype: ke3vin
>  > "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
>  > Clark Powell
>  > _______________________________________________
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>
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>  Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
>  Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
>  kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
>  Skype: ke3vin
>  "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
>  Clark Powell
>



-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From apratts at comcast.net  Thu May  1 13:31:27 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:31:27 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Psystar Open Computer notes, benchmarks and video
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90805011025w6f5511faid397be8b12fe6d28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9F575FBD-FABB-40BF-82FB-066EA3258ABE@comcast.net>
	<e8ce78c90805010954s472b107fm2cf333665d548d80@mail.gmail.com>
	<2DB47933-C07F-4019-B886-FAE92B31931F@comcast.net>
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Nawwww, After all the reviews they are just a piece of junk.

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On May 1, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:

> So you gonna buy one and do a review? ;-)
>
> BY the way here's a hint the Chinese always deliver... something...
> it's the quantity the some how lacks.
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>  
> wrote:
>> I guess you missed this,,,,
>>
>>
>> http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9932331-37.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=OneMoreThing
>>
>>
>> Albert Pratts
>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 1, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
>> Yeah and I have a Mac Clone to sell you.  C cubed: China, Cuba,  
>> Communist
>>
>> http://www.zibb.com/all/theme/c/pystar.com
>>
>> http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=P07000077580&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=PSYSTAR&names_filing_type=
>>
>> http://gizmodo.com/380488/psystar-exposed-looks-like-a-hoax?cpage=2
>>
>> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Albert Pratts  
>> <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Actually they are Cubans.... ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Albert Pratts
>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 1, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
>> Pystart is chinese vapor.
>>
>> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Albert Pratts  
>> <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Is that a plane taking off...LOL  Way to slow.
>>
>>
>> http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-notes-benchmarks-and-video/
>>
>>
>> Albert Pratts
>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
>> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
>> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
>> Skype: ke3vin
>> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
>> Clark Powell
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>> --
>> Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
>> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
>> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
>> Skype: ke3vin
>> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
>> Clark Powell
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>
>
>
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> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
> Skype: ke3vin
> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
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From apratts at comcast.net  Thu May  1 13:35:38 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:38 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Psystar Open Computer notes, benchmarks and video
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90805011030y65d1527r6b1a27be54733d7d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9F575FBD-FABB-40BF-82FB-066EA3258ABE@comcast.net>
	<e8ce78c90805010954s472b107fm2cf333665d548d80@mail.gmail.com>
	<2DB47933-C07F-4019-B886-FAE92B31931F@comcast.net>
	<e8ce78c90805011014m455863caiaec1fc8b43d1d8ff@mail.gmail.com>
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	<e8ce78c90805011025w6f5511faid397be8b12fe6d28@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8ce78c90805011030y65d1527r6b1a27be54733d7d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6C7517A-E4DB-4AFF-A429-AD0A65DCAD50@comcast.net>

Actually John C. and Adam Curry were talking about that the other  
day....

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On May 1, 2008, at 1:30 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:

> BTW first they said this:
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11428653
>
> and now...
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article3822568.ece
>
> Here's how China works: They establish lines into your company, never
> manage to finish the work all the while raping what your country has
> with no taxes and cheap imports.
>
> Do you think the "open machines" are made in the USA? Cuba? Think  
> again.
>
> Whew is that bad fish I smell?
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
>> So you gonna buy one and do a review? ;-)
>>
>> BY the way here's a hint the Chinese always deliver... something...
>> it's the quantity the some how lacks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Albert Pratts <apratts at comcast.net>  
>> wrote:
>>> I guess you missed this,,,,
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.news.com/8301-13579_3-9932331-37.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=OneMoreThing
>>>
>>>
>>> Albert Pratts
>>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 1, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
>>> Yeah and I have a Mac Clone to sell you.  C cubed: China, Cuba,  
>>> Communist
>>>
>>> http://www.zibb.com/all/theme/c/pystar.com
>>>
>>> http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=P07000077580&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=PSYSTAR&names_filing_type=
>>>
>>> http://gizmodo.com/380488/psystar-exposed-looks-like-a-hoax?cpage=2
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Albert Pratts  
>>> <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Actually they are Cubans.... ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Albert Pratts
>>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 1, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Kevin Inscoe wrote:
>>> Pystart is chinese vapor.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Albert Pratts  
>>> <apratts at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Is that a plane taking off...LOL  Way to slow.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/30/psystar-open-computer-notes-benchmarks-and-video/
>>>
>>>
>>> Albert Pratts
>>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cfgeeks mailing list
>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
>>> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
>>> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
>>> Skype: ke3vin
>>> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." -  
>>> Lawrence
>>> Clark Powell
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cfgeeks mailing list
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>>>
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>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
>>> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
>>> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
>>> Skype: ke3vin
>>> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." -  
>>> Lawrence
>>> Clark Powell
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cfgeeks mailing list
>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>>
>>>
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>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
>> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
>> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
>> Skype: ke3vin
>> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
>> Clark Powell
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
> Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
> kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
> Skype: ke3vin
> "Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
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From kmk at sanitarium.net  Thu May  1 14:57:50 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 14:57:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cfgeeks] DTChina (again)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805011457370.11113@asylum.sanitarium.net>

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From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu May  1 15:00:18 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 15:00:18 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] DTChina (again)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805011457370.11113@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805011457370.11113@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90805011200k21ca6903n6e407ee841e76a13@mail.gmail.com>

while we are at it...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/majornews/1917167/Chinese-build-secret-nuclear-submarine-base.html

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Kevin Korb <kmk at sanitarium.net> wrote:
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>         Orlando, Florida                kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
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-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From kevin at inscoe.org  Thu May  1 16:23:45 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:23:45 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Want: my next tower.
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90805010955x7d26ed25m77619ed4553f8687@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8ce78c90805010955x7d26ed25m77619ed4553f8687@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90805011323m8a784adwccfaea0363f1af91@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
> http://englishrussia.com/?p=1882#more-1882

http://www.nti.org/db/nisprofs/russia/weapons/abmc3/c3abmovr.htm

"When the Soviet Union ceased to exist in 1991, the Russian Federation
inherited considerable strategic early warning assets, along with the
world's only operational anti-ballistic missile (ABM) system and an
elaborate nuclear command and control system. In their entirety, these
systems were comparable in scope and capabilities only to those
possessed by the United States, and ensured that in the event of a
nuclear crisis the Russian leadership would be provided with ample
information about the unfolding situation and a variety of options
regarding the use of nuclear weapons."

-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Thu May  1 21:07:02 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 21:07:02 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] DOH!
Message-ID: <2FDA6C1C-3448-44BE-B875-7F3E2246EE76@cfl.rr.com>

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/17161/



From apratts at comcast.net  Thu May  1 23:01:42 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 23:01:42 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] The New iMac
Message-ID: <F643A496-D13F-49EA-AA89-0A836A8B6DB0@comcast.net>

PC Magazine awards 4/5 stars to the new 24-inch iMac, calling it ?the  
iconic all-in-one desktop that others try to emulate.? Praising its  
energy efficiency, lack of pre-loaded ?bloatware,? and space-saving  
design, reviewer Joel Santo Domingo concludes that ?even though there  
are a slew of new competitors to the iMac, none of them have quite  
enough innovation or execution to dethrone the king of the all-in-one  
desktops.?

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2290394,00.asp

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



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From apratts at comcast.net  Fri May  2 00:18:01 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 00:18:01 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Colossal Squid Has Glowing "Cloaking Device," Huge Eyes
Message-ID: <79F9513E-50E4-4179-B251-D95408C4D66F@comcast.net>

Interesting.... I think is an alien. ;-)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/05/080501-giant-squid.html

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA




From john at mayson.us  Fri May  2 00:27:14 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 23:27:14 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Best text editors
Message-ID: <6645152a0805012127v26a6889dna492154df062df47@mail.gmail.com>

This ought to be good for a weekend holy war.  :-P

http://lifehacker.com/385929/best-text-editors

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Fri May  2 00:33:40 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 00:33:40 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Best text editors
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0805012127v26a6889dna492154df062df47@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6645152a0805012127v26a6889dna492154df062df47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AAACB30A-A1A2-4749-AD20-F46ACD400F4D@cfl.rr.com>

/oblig emacs is a great OS, now if only it had a simple text editor.

I'm VI born and bred ;)


On May 2, 2008, at 12:27 AM, John Mayson wrote:

> This ought to be good for a weekend holy war.  :-P
>
> http://lifehacker.com/385929/best-text-editors
>
> -- 
> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From john at mayson.us  Fri May  2 00:35:49 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 23:35:49 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Best text editors
In-Reply-To: <AAACB30A-A1A2-4749-AD20-F46ACD400F4D@cfl.rr.com>
References: <6645152a0805012127v26a6889dna492154df062df47@mail.gmail.com>
	<AAACB30A-A1A2-4749-AD20-F46ACD400F4D@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6645152a0805012135m40764629h800fa4b5097e86d0@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Gilbert Young <gjyoung at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> /oblig emacs is a great OS, now if only it had a simple text editor.
>
>  I'm VI born and bred ;)

Same here.

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From j at damronplanet.com  Fri May  2 13:05:16 2008
From: j at damronplanet.com (Jonathan Damron)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 13:05:16 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] personal flying carP?
Message-ID: <481B49CC.9070604@damronplanet.com>

http://www.news.com/2300-11397_3-6238647-1.html?tag=nl.e434

Jonathan

From kevin at inscoe.org  Fri May  2 13:06:20 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:06:20 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Still want that Chinese made computer?
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90805021006s23241744lba709495420cd2cd@mail.gmail.com>

Killswitch engage indeed...

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080502-pentagon-fears-manchurian-chips.html

-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From john at mayson.us  Fri May  2 13:10:23 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:10:23 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Still want that Chinese made computer?
In-Reply-To: <e8ce78c90805021006s23241744lba709495420cd2cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8ce78c90805021006s23241744lba709495420cd2cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6645152a0805021010ndf27fe5ud96cd65bb242a4a6@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
> Killswitch engage indeed...
>
>  http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080502-pentagon-fears-manchurian-chips.html

Speaking of Manchurian Candidate.  I've wondered this about McCain.

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From kevin at inscoe.org  Fri May  2 13:26:32 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin Inscoe)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:26:32 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Microsoft cat fight!
Message-ID: <e8ce78c90805021026m48a0f688qcdb287927caaad62@mail.gmail.com>

http://blogs.msdn.com/eric_brechner/

"I heard a remark the other day that seemed stupid on the surface, but
when I really thought about it I realized it was completely idiotic
and irresponsible. The remark was that it's better to crash and let
Watson report the error than it is to catch the exception and try to
correct it."

http://blogs.msdn.com/larryosterman

"Wow.  I'm not going to mince words: What a profoundly stupid
assertion to make.  Of course it's better to crash and let the OS
handle the exception than to try to continue after an exception.

 I have a HUGE issue with the concept that an application should catch
exceptions[1] and attempt to correct them.  In my experience handling
exceptions and attempting to continue is a recipe for disaster.  At
best, it takes an easily debuggable problem into one that takes hours
of debugging to resolve.  At it's worst, exception handling can either
introduce security holes or render security mitigations irrelevant."

"Jane you ignorant ...." - SNL

-- 
Kevin P. Inscoe Amateur Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738 28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org http://kevininscoe.com
Skype: ke3vin
"Write to be understood, speak to be heard, read to grow." - Lawrence
Clark Powell

From octo at logicprobe.org  Fri May  2 14:17:52 2008
From: octo at logicprobe.org (Derek Konigsberg)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:17:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cfgeeks] Still want that Chinese made computer?
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0805021010ndf27fe5ud96cd65bb242a4a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8ce78c90805021006s23241744lba709495420cd2cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<6645152a0805021010ndf27fe5ud96cd65bb242a4a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOC.4.64.0805021416180.19349@hyperion.logicprobe.org>

On Fri, 2 May 2008, John Mayson wrote:

> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org> wrote:
>> Killswitch engage indeed...
>>
>>  http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080502-pentagon-fears-manchurian-chips.html
>
> Speaking of Manchurian Candidate.  I've wondered this about McCain.
>

And my father mentions seeing a lot of parallels between Obama campaign 
and this old movie I've never seen:
"The Candidate"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068334/


---------------------------
Derek Konigsberg
octo at logicprobe.org
http://hecgeek.blogspot.com
---------------------------

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Fri May  2 16:12:44 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:12:44 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Still want that Chinese made computer?
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0805021010ndf27fe5ud96cd65bb242a4a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8ce78c90805021006s23241744lba709495420cd2cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<6645152a0805021010ndf27fe5ud96cd65bb242a4a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <202F3B02-55F5-4425-813F-5DAE843C0220@cfl.rr.com>

I've had several ppl say the same.


On May 2, 2008, at 1:10 PM, John Mayson wrote:

> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org>  
> wrote:
>> Killswitch engage indeed...
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080502-pentagon-fears-manchurian-chips.html
>
> Speaking of Manchurian Candidate.  I've wondered this about McCain.
>
> -- 
> John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From syberghost at gmail.com  Fri May  2 16:18:56 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 16:18:56 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Still want that Chinese made computer?
In-Reply-To: <202F3B02-55F5-4425-813F-5DAE843C0220@cfl.rr.com>
References: <e8ce78c90805021006s23241744lba709495420cd2cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<6645152a0805021010ndf27fe5ud96cd65bb242a4a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<202F3B02-55F5-4425-813F-5DAE843C0220@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1209759536.13134.11.camel@qward>

On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 16:12 -0400, Gilbert Young wrote:
> I've had several ppl say the same.

Yes, it's true; 30+ years ago Viet Nam used their advanced mind control
technology to initiate a decades-long plan to get their man made
President of the US.

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From john at mayson.us  Fri May  2 16:25:02 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:25:02 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Still want that Chinese made computer?
In-Reply-To: <1209759536.13134.11.camel@qward>
References: <e8ce78c90805021006s23241744lba709495420cd2cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<6645152a0805021010ndf27fe5ud96cd65bb242a4a6@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1209759536.13134.11.camel@qward>
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On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 16:12 -0400, Gilbert Young wrote:
>  > I've had several ppl say the same.
>
>  Yes, it's true; 30+ years ago Viet Nam used their advanced mind control
>  technology to initiate a decades-long plan to get their man made
>  President of the US.

Would you please stop applying things like logic to perfectly good
conspiracy theories!  Geesh!

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Fri May  2 17:01:06 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 17:01:06 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Still want that Chinese made computer?
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0805021325u33e777a0jd4c8dd4ab1a0f3e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8ce78c90805021006s23241744lba709495420cd2cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<6645152a0805021010ndf27fe5ud96cd65bb242a4a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<202F3B02-55F5-4425-813F-5DAE843C0220@cfl.rr.com>
	<1209759536.13134.11.camel@qward>
	<6645152a0805021325u33e777a0jd4c8dd4ab1a0f3e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6D48942-ACD0-4F1D-AB03-0E7CD656488B@cfl.rr.com>


On May 2, 2008, at 4:25 PM, John Mayson wrote:

> On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Shawn McMahon <syberghost at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 16:12 -0400, Gilbert Young wrote:
>>> I've had several ppl say the same.
>>
>> Yes, it's true; 30+ years ago Viet Nam used their advanced mind  
>> control
>> technology to initiate a decades-long plan to get their man made
>> President of the US.
>
> Would you please stop applying things like logic to perfectly good
> conspiracy theories!  Geesh!

Yeah! What he said!  What kind of list do you think this is?

OBTW Off topic post!!! :)

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Sat May  3 00:02:09 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:02:09 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Gear Review: Pinder Bags
Message-ID: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>

Boring, but IMHO a great low cost case:

http://www.pinderbags.com/laptopbags.html

I bought the Thin mode with a Vinny (how YOU doin?) shoulder pad  
(currently free), as I wanted small and light.

I wanted a bag that was tough skinned, at least one zippered pouch  
other than the main compartment (to hold the power, network dongle and  
mini superdrive) and at least one open pouch.  This had all that and  
two open pouches.

This case had seat belt style webbing on the outside of the case, Not  
quite real seat belt, perhaps 1/2 as thick as a good seat belt.   
shoulder strap is seat belt material.  steel rings, great shoulder  
strap hardware, swivel bearings, good clip hardware, etc.. great  
quality.  Even has mini flaps to cover the edges of the laptop where  
the zipper could scrape the edge of the laptop while zippering or if  
it shifts in the bag.  That and it looks sharp, I got the chocolate  
colored model that has a red lining inside.  Ample padding as well,  
and has carry handles too.

For $39 shipped for the Thin model, I was impressed.

Generally I found that a sleeve only model from anywhere was about  
$20, each added pouch was about $10, until you got into the well known  
name brand cases, then it could be 2 to 3X that.

From apratts at comcast.net  Sat May  3 00:11:44 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:11:44 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Gear Review: Pinder Bags
In-Reply-To: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>
References: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <438A88C6-D0BD-49DA-99B2-6152D63D0895@comcast.net>

I use this...

http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-metrolite-black.html

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On May 3, 2008, at 12:02 AM, Gilbert Young wrote:

> Boring, but IMHO a great low cost case:
>
> http://www.pinderbags.com/laptopbags.html
>
> I bought the Thin mode with a Vinny (how YOU doin?) shoulder pad
> (currently free), as I wanted small and light.
>
> I wanted a bag that was tough skinned, at least one zippered pouch
> other than the main compartment (to hold the power, network dongle and
> mini superdrive) and at least one open pouch.  This had all that and
> two open pouches.
>
> This case had seat belt style webbing on the outside of the case, Not
> quite real seat belt, perhaps 1/2 as thick as a good seat belt.
> shoulder strap is seat belt material.  steel rings, great shoulder
> strap hardware, swivel bearings, good clip hardware, etc.. great
> quality.  Even has mini flaps to cover the edges of the laptop where
> the zipper could scrape the edge of the laptop while zippering or if
> it shifts in the bag.  That and it looks sharp, I got the chocolate
> colored model that has a red lining inside.  Ample padding as well,
> and has carry handles too.
>
> For $39 shipped for the Thin model, I was impressed.
>
> Generally I found that a sleeve only model from anywhere was about
> $20, each added pouch was about $10, until you got into the well known
> name brand cases, then it could be 2 to 3X that.
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From apratts at comcast.net  Sat May  3 00:13:04 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:13:04 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Gear Review: Pinder Bags
In-Reply-To: <438A88C6-D0BD-49DA-99B2-6152D63D0895@comcast.net>
References: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>
	<438A88C6-D0BD-49DA-99B2-6152D63D0895@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1F9130A0-0461-4419-B525-0D39FABCC14A@comcast.net>

I forgot to mention that I got it for $19.99, when CompUSA closed the  
Altamonte Springs store.

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On May 3, 2008, at 12:11 AM, Albert Pratts wrote:

> I use this...
>
> http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-metrolite-black.html
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
> On May 3, 2008, at 12:02 AM, Gilbert Young wrote:
>
>> Boring, but IMHO a great low cost case:
>>
>> http://www.pinderbags.com/laptopbags.html
>>
>> I bought the Thin mode with a Vinny (how YOU doin?) shoulder pad
>> (currently free), as I wanted small and light.
>>
>> I wanted a bag that was tough skinned, at least one zippered pouch
>> other than the main compartment (to hold the power, network dongle  
>> and
>> mini superdrive) and at least one open pouch.  This had all that and
>> two open pouches.
>>
>> This case had seat belt style webbing on the outside of the case, Not
>> quite real seat belt, perhaps 1/2 as thick as a good seat belt.
>> shoulder strap is seat belt material.  steel rings, great shoulder
>> strap hardware, swivel bearings, good clip hardware, etc.. great
>> quality.  Even has mini flaps to cover the edges of the laptop where
>> the zipper could scrape the edge of the laptop while zippering or if
>> it shifts in the bag.  That and it looks sharp, I got the chocolate
>> colored model that has a red lining inside.  Ample padding as well,
>> and has carry handles too.
>>
>> For $39 shipped for the Thin model, I was impressed.
>>
>> Generally I found that a sleeve only model from anywhere was about
>> $20, each added pouch was about $10, until you got into the well  
>> known
>> name brand cases, then it could be 2 to 3X that.
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Sat May  3 00:28:36 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:28:36 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Gear Review: Pinder Bags
In-Reply-To: <438A88C6-D0BD-49DA-99B2-6152D63D0895@comcast.net>
References: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>
	<438A88C6-D0BD-49DA-99B2-6152D63D0895@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <790D1BF2-685F-4EDE-AFF0-14F22710FA3E@cfl.rr.com>

I considered this one as well, but it didn't have enough zippered  
pocket space and didn't come with a strap.

http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-trek_sleeve.html

One specifically crafted for the Macbook Air with a Superdrive pouch  
that would have been perfect, ran north of $95 IIRC, I just couldn't  
see putting that much out for a bag.

On May 3, 2008, at 12:11 AM, Albert Pratts wrote:

> I use this...
>
> http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-metrolite-black.html
>
> Albert Pratts
> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>
>
>
> On May 3, 2008, at 12:02 AM, Gilbert Young wrote:
>
>> Boring, but IMHO a great low cost case:
>>
>> http://www.pinderbags.com/laptopbags.html
>>
>> I bought the Thin mode with a Vinny (how YOU doin?) shoulder pad
>> (currently free), as I wanted small and light.
>>
>> I wanted a bag that was tough skinned, at least one zippered pouch
>> other than the main compartment (to hold the power, network dongle  
>> and
>> mini superdrive) and at least one open pouch.  This had all that and
>> two open pouches.
>>
>> This case had seat belt style webbing on the outside of the case, Not
>> quite real seat belt, perhaps 1/2 as thick as a good seat belt.
>> shoulder strap is seat belt material.  steel rings, great shoulder
>> strap hardware, swivel bearings, good clip hardware, etc.. great
>> quality.  Even has mini flaps to cover the edges of the laptop where
>> the zipper could scrape the edge of the laptop while zippering or if
>> it shifts in the bag.  That and it looks sharp, I got the chocolate
>> colored model that has a red lining inside.  Ample padding as well,
>> and has carry handles too.
>>
>> For $39 shipped for the Thin model, I was impressed.
>>
>> Generally I found that a sleeve only model from anywhere was about
>> $20, each added pouch was about $10, until you got into the well  
>> known
>> name brand cases, then it could be 2 to 3X that.
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From apratts at comcast.net  Sat May  3 01:05:51 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 01:05:51 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Gear Review: Pinder Bags
In-Reply-To: <790D1BF2-685F-4EDE-AFF0-14F22710FA3E@cfl.rr.com>
References: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>
	<438A88C6-D0BD-49DA-99B2-6152D63D0895@comcast.net>
	<790D1BF2-685F-4EDE-AFF0-14F22710FA3E@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5F7596C0-A4B1-4F59-A7DD-C40BAAFE02F5@comcast.net>

I agree... I waited until I got a good deal...

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On May 3, 2008, at 12:28 AM, Gilbert Young wrote:

> I considered this one as well, but it didn't have enough zippered
> pocket space and didn't come with a strap.
>
> http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-trek_sleeve.html
>
> One specifically crafted for the Macbook Air with a Superdrive pouch
> that would have been perfect, ran north of $95 IIRC, I just couldn't
> see putting that much out for a bag.
>
> On May 3, 2008, at 12:11 AM, Albert Pratts wrote:
>
>> I use this...
>>
>> http://www.brenthaven.com/catalog-metrolite-black.html
>>
>> Albert Pratts
>> Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 3, 2008, at 12:02 AM, Gilbert Young wrote:
>>
>>> Boring, but IMHO a great low cost case:
>>>
>>> http://www.pinderbags.com/laptopbags.html
>>>
>>> I bought the Thin mode with a Vinny (how YOU doin?) shoulder pad
>>> (currently free), as I wanted small and light.
>>>
>>> I wanted a bag that was tough skinned, at least one zippered pouch
>>> other than the main compartment (to hold the power, network dongle
>>> and
>>> mini superdrive) and at least one open pouch.  This had all that and
>>> two open pouches.
>>>
>>> This case had seat belt style webbing on the outside of the case,  
>>> Not
>>> quite real seat belt, perhaps 1/2 as thick as a good seat belt.
>>> shoulder strap is seat belt material.  steel rings, great shoulder
>>> strap hardware, swivel bearings, good clip hardware, etc.. great
>>> quality.  Even has mini flaps to cover the edges of the laptop where
>>> the zipper could scrape the edge of the laptop while zippering or if
>>> it shifts in the bag.  That and it looks sharp, I got the chocolate
>>> colored model that has a red lining inside.  Ample padding as well,
>>> and has carry handles too.
>>>
>>> For $39 shipped for the Thin model, I was impressed.
>>>
>>> Generally I found that a sleeve only model from anywhere was about
>>> $20, each added pouch was about $10, until you got into the well
>>> known
>>> name brand cases, then it could be 2 to 3X that.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> cfgeeks mailing list
>>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From syberghost at gmail.com  Sat May  3 07:18:58 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 07:18:58 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Gear Review: Pinder Bags
In-Reply-To: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>
References: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1209813538.13134.15.camel@qward>

On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 00:02 -0400, Gilbert Young wrote:
> Boring, but IMHO a great low cost case:
> 
> http://www.pinderbags.com/laptopbags.html
> 
> I bought the Thin mode with a Vinny (how YOU doin?) shoulder pad  
> (currently free), as I wanted small and light.
> 
> I wanted a bag that was tough skinned, at least one zippered pouch  
> other than the main compartment (to hold the power, network dongle and  
> mini superdrive) and at least one open pouch.  This had all that and  
> two open pouches.

On the other end of the price scale, but with similar features and
higher geek factor:

https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=123&osCsid=f71c228f0e4bf2fd402b2ebb4d2072dc

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From kevin at inscoe.org  Sat May  3 07:31:45 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 07:31:45 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Gear Review: Pinder Bags
In-Reply-To: <1209813538.13134.15.camel@qward>
References: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>
	<1209813538.13134.15.camel@qward>
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Shawn McMahon wrote:

| On the other end of the price scale, but with similar features and
| higher geek factor:
|
|
https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=123&osCsid=f71c228f0e4bf2fd402b2ebb4d2072dc

WTH?! They want an OpenID before I can look at something? Nooo thanks...

https://login.launchpad.net/+openid

- --
Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
GPG 0x61288D53                                          Skype: ke3vin













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From syberghost at gmail.com  Sat May  3 07:32:38 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 07:32:38 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Gear Review: Pinder Bags
In-Reply-To: <481C4D21.6090808@inscoe.org>
References: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>
	<1209813538.13134.15.camel@qward>  <481C4D21.6090808@inscoe.org>
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On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 07:31 -0400, Kevin P. Inscoe wrote:
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> | On the other end of the price scale, but with similar features and
> | higher geek factor:
> |
> |
> https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=123&osCsid=f71c228f0e4bf2fd402b2ebb4d2072dc
> 
> WTH?! They want an OpenID before I can look at something? Nooo thanks...
> 
> https://login.launchpad.net/+openid

Hrm, that's weird.  Must be a deep-linking thing; I'm not logged in, and
you don't have to (aren't even asked to) if you get there through the
menus.

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From kevin at inscoe.org  Sat May  3 07:37:31 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 07:37:31 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] OpenID is baaaaaddd...
Message-ID: <481C4E7B.4070409@inscoe.org>

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BTW time for my semi-annual rant on OpenID...

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Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org                    http://kevininscoe.com
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From syberghost at gmail.com  Sat May  3 07:42:13 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 07:42:13 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] OpenID is baaaaaddd...
In-Reply-To: <481C4E7B.4070409@inscoe.org>
References: <481C4E7B.4070409@inscoe.org>
Message-ID: <1209814933.13134.23.camel@qward>

On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 07:37 -0400, Kevin P. Inscoe wrote:
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> BTW time for my semi-annual rant on OpenID...

OpenID may be bad when you use it to give Company A private information
about you solely so you can log into Company B; but using it so you can
log into Company A's web store and Company A's bug tracking system
isn't.

And even the objection about cross-company usage falls flat when instead
you have Company B emailing you your password at Company A's webmail
service...
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From apratts at comcast.net  Sat May  3 08:38:23 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 08:38:23 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Gear Review: Pinder Bags
In-Reply-To: <1209813538.13134.15.camel@qward>
References: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>
	<1209813538.13134.15.camel@qward>
Message-ID: <206B8035-6139-48C3-9E64-619FFAAE7FC0@comcast.net>

That's just an Ogio bag, you can get it on any golf shop or maybe Ross  
for 1/2 of the price....

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On May 3, 2008, at 7:18 AM, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 00:02 -0400, Gilbert Young wrote:
>> Boring, but IMHO a great low cost case:
>>
>> http://www.pinderbags.com/laptopbags.html
>>
>> I bought the Thin mode with a Vinny (how YOU doin?) shoulder pad
>> (currently free), as I wanted small and light.
>>
>> I wanted a bag that was tough skinned, at least one zippered pouch
>> other than the main compartment (to hold the power, network dongle  
>> and
>> mini superdrive) and at least one open pouch.  This had all that and
>> two open pouches.
>
> On the other end of the price scale, but with similar features and
> higher geek factor:
>
> https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=123&osCsid=f71c228f0e4bf2fd402b2ebb4d2072dc
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Sat May  3 22:42:40 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 22:42:40 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Gear Review: Pinder Bags
In-Reply-To: <1209813538.13134.15.camel@qward>
References: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>
	<1209813538.13134.15.camel@qward>
Message-ID: <E8E88536-4DF2-40B3-B40B-FF715FEE5FE0@cfl.rr.com>


On May 3, 2008, at 7:18 AM, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 00:02 -0400, Gilbert Young wrote:
>> Boring, but IMHO a great low cost case:
>>
>> http://www.pinderbags.com/laptopbags.html
>>
>> I bought the Thin mode with a Vinny (how YOU doin?) shoulder pad
>> (currently free), as I wanted small and light.
>>
>> I wanted a bag that was tough skinned, at least one zippered pouch
>> other than the main compartment (to hold the power, network dongle  
>> and
>> mini superdrive) and at least one open pouch.  This had all that and
>> two open pouches.
>
> On the other end of the price scale, but with similar features and
> higher geek factor:
>
> https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=123&osCsid=f71c228f0e4bf2fd402b2ebb4d2072dc


I've had this on my Christmas list for a few years now.  If you  
haven't seen it, it's a great Anime series.

http://tinyurl.com/5o5umq



From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Sat May  3 22:43:22 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 22:43:22 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Gear Review: Pinder Bags
In-Reply-To: <1209814358.13134.19.camel@qward>
References: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>
	<1209813538.13134.15.camel@qward> <481C4D21.6090808@inscoe.org>
	<1209814358.13134.19.camel@qward>
Message-ID: <FED096AC-81BB-47E7-96EB-9ACC49FDCD2E@cfl.rr.com>


On May 3, 2008, at 7:32 AM, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 07:31 -0400, Kevin P. Inscoe wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Shawn McMahon wrote:
>>
>> | On the other end of the price scale, but with similar features and
>> | higher geek factor:
>> |
>> |
>> https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=123&osCsid=f71c228f0e4bf2fd402b2ebb4d2072dc
>>
>> WTH?! They want an OpenID before I can look at something? Nooo  
>> thanks...
>>
>> https://login.launchpad.net/+openid
>
> Hrm, that's weird.  Must be a deep-linking thing; I'm not logged in,  
> and
> you don't have to (aren't even asked to) if you get there through the
> menus.


I had no problem.

From syberghost at gmail.com  Sun May  4 08:20:42 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 08:20:42 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Gear Review: Pinder Bags
In-Reply-To: <206B8035-6139-48C3-9E64-619FFAAE7FC0@comcast.net>
References: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>
	<1209813538.13134.15.camel@qward>
	<206B8035-6139-48C3-9E64-619FFAAE7FC0@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1209903642.10211.11.camel@qward>

On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 08:38 -0400, Albert Pratts wrote:
> That's just an Ogio bag, you can get it on any golf shop or maybe Ross  
> for 1/2 of the price....

Yes, but it won't have the Ubuntu logo on it.  Geek factor == 0.
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From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Sun May  4 13:29:45 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:29:45 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] SNORT!!
References: <6645152a0805032128g673e619bt1180ca55e2d03c65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DF711684-F4E9-41F7-8AA3-A632A7A998BA@cfl.rr.com>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "John Mayson" <john at mayson.us>
>>
>
> Viruses
> Infections
> Spyware
> Trojans
> Adware

VISTA!

From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Sun May  4 13:34:16 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 13:34:16 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Gear Review: Pinder Bags
In-Reply-To: <1209903642.10211.11.camel@qward>
References: <6BA0D17A-3D19-428E-A274-C7F03D033C5D@cfl.rr.com>
	<1209813538.13134.15.camel@qward>
	<206B8035-6139-48C3-9E64-619FFAAE7FC0@comcast.net>
	<1209903642.10211.11.camel@qward>
Message-ID: <2FEC7306-CF8F-4E84-B228-B3C7FEFD41B8@cfl.rr.com>


On May 4, 2008, at 8:20 AM, Shawn McMahon wrote:

> On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 08:38 -0400, Albert Pratts wrote:
>> That's just an Ogio bag, you can get it on any golf shop or maybe  
>> Ross
>> for 1/2 of the price....
>
> Yes, but it won't have the Ubuntu logo on it.  Geek factor == 0.

Naah, 1000 samurai Katana grave markers == don't mess with me ;)

From apratts at comcast.net  Sun May  4 14:30:11 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 14:30:11 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] SNORT!!
In-Reply-To: <DF711684-F4E9-41F7-8AA3-A632A7A998BA@cfl.rr.com>
References: <6645152a0805032128g673e619bt1180ca55e2d03c65@mail.gmail.com>
	<DF711684-F4E9-41F7-8AA3-A632A7A998BA@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <A86560BB-0FC2-4976-AD8B-AFC826271C2E@comcast.net>

Dude... He's NOT kidding....  I think Vista is as bad or worst than 2000

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On May 4, 2008, at 1:29 PM, Gilbert Young wrote:

>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: "John Mayson" <john at mayson.us>
>>>
>>
>> Viruses
>> Infections
>> Spyware
>> Trojans
>> Adware
>
> VISTA!
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks


From syberghost at gmail.com  Sun May  4 15:54:47 2008
From: syberghost at gmail.com (Shawn McMahon)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 15:54:47 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] The Navy's drivin' freakin' Star Destroyers now
Message-ID: <1209930887.6803.4.camel@paragon>

http://instapinch.com/?p=1085

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From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Sun May  4 17:11:24 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:11:24 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] JAVA is worth less
Message-ID: <3459CC11-3BB8-4B7C-A4CB-6A7B6C55B5A8@cfl.rr.com>

Well at least the stock is down...

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=JAVA



From gjyoung at cfl.rr.com  Sun May  4 17:20:50 2008
From: gjyoung at cfl.rr.com (Gilbert Young)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 17:20:50 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Iron Man beat up Jesus
Message-ID: <F769C687-2611-4379-9592-D09D1237D3F7@cfl.rr.com>

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/wkd-prediction-iron-man-a-strongman/

From cfg at davehudson.net  Sun May  4 18:57:48 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 18:57:48 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
Message-ID: <004f01c8ae3a$468274b0$d3875e10$@net>

Hello everyone -

I have been running my home servers for the past 5 years and just using my
router and port forwarding to manage all my web servers and services.

In short, I'm starting to run into problems where outside connections
(school, wife's work, etc) are blocking pretty much everything except port
80 http.  

So what I'm looking to do is go ahead and setup a proxy server that can
manage all my incoming http 80 traffic (and 443 also of course) and route it
to the appropriate servers.

I was doing some reading and it looks like I could likely accomplish this
with Apache running on one of my Linux boxes, but this seems like a
difficult to manage and kludgy kinda way to do it.

Can you guys recommend an easy to setup and manage proxy server that runs on
Linux?  Again, I need it for the very simple purpose of rerouting http
traffic to the appropriate server (ie  my.external.ip/website1 ->
192.168.1.141, my.external.ip/website2 -> 192.168.1.142, etc).

Would be even better if you could point me to a VMWare virtual appliance
that is ready to roll (I'm already looking at them, but not sure which proxy
to use - or if there is some software better than a proxy to use for this
simple need).

Thanks,
Dave



From cfg at davehudson.net  Sun May  4 19:04:25 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 19:04:25 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
In-Reply-To: <004f01c8ae3a$468274b0$d3875e10$@net>
References: <004f01c8ae3a$468274b0$d3875e10$@net>
Message-ID: <005001c8ae3b$33528a50$99f79ef0$@net>

Before everyone slams me for incorrect terminology, I'm obviously talking
about reverse proxy capability here :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Hudson [mailto:cfg at davehudson.net] 
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:58 PM
To: 'Central Florida Geeks'
Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server

Hello everyone -

I have been running my home servers for the past 5 years and just using my
router and port forwarding to manage all my web servers and services.

In short, I'm starting to run into problems where outside connections
(school, wife's work, etc) are blocking pretty much everything except port
80 http.  

So what I'm looking to do is go ahead and setup a proxy server that can
manage all my incoming http 80 traffic (and 443 also of course) and route it
to the appropriate servers.

I was doing some reading and it looks like I could likely accomplish this
with Apache running on one of my Linux boxes, but this seems like a
difficult to manage and kludgy kinda way to do it.

Can you guys recommend an easy to setup and manage proxy server that runs on
Linux?  Again, I need it for the very simple purpose of rerouting http
traffic to the appropriate server (ie  my.external.ip/website1 ->
192.168.1.141, my.external.ip/website2 -> 192.168.1.142, etc).

Would be even better if you could point me to a VMWare virtual appliance
that is ready to roll (I'm already looking at them, but not sure which proxy
to use - or if there is some software better than a proxy to use for this
simple need).

Thanks,
Dave


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From graham.christensen at iamgraham.net  Sun May  4 21:42:01 2008
From: graham.christensen at iamgraham.net (Graham Christensen)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 21:42:01 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
In-Reply-To: <005001c8ae3b$33528a50$99f79ef0$@net>
References: <004f01c8ae3a$468274b0$d3875e10$@net>
	<005001c8ae3b$33528a50$99f79ef0$@net>
Message-ID: <481E65E9.9040305@iamgraham.net>

Dave,
    I've used Squid pretty extensively and it is a very solid piece of 
software capable of doing exactly what you're looking for. I've setup 
very complicated rules with it, regarding multiple web servers on one 
box, to boxes spread across the world.

Graham Christensen

http://itrebal.com - Customized Web Hosting
Graham.Christensen at iamgraham.net



Dave Hudson wrote:
> Before everyone slams me for incorrect terminology, I'm obviously talking
> about reverse proxy capability here :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Hudson [mailto:cfg at davehudson.net] 
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:58 PM
> To: 'Central Florida Geeks'
> Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
>
> Hello everyone -
>
> I have been running my home servers for the past 5 years and just using my
> router and port forwarding to manage all my web servers and services.
>
> In short, I'm starting to run into problems where outside connections
> (school, wife's work, etc) are blocking pretty much everything except port
> 80 http.  
>
> So what I'm looking to do is go ahead and setup a proxy server that can
> manage all my incoming http 80 traffic (and 443 also of course) and route it
> to the appropriate servers.
>
> I was doing some reading and it looks like I could likely accomplish this
> with Apache running on one of my Linux boxes, but this seems like a
> difficult to manage and kludgy kinda way to do it.
>
> Can you guys recommend an easy to setup and manage proxy server that runs on
> Linux?  Again, I need it for the very simple purpose of rerouting http
> traffic to the appropriate server (ie  my.external.ip/website1 ->
> 192.168.1.141, my.external.ip/website2 -> 192.168.1.142, etc).
>
> Would be even better if you could point me to a VMWare virtual appliance
> that is ready to roll (I'm already looking at them, but not sure which proxy
> to use - or if there is some software better than a proxy to use for this
> simple need).
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
>   

From kmk at sanitarium.net  Sun May  4 21:43:58 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:43:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
In-Reply-To: <481E65E9.9040305@iamgraham.net>
References: <004f01c8ae3a$468274b0$d3875e10$@net>
	<005001c8ae3b$33528a50$99f79ef0$@net>
	<481E65E9.9040305@iamgraham.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805042142460.22755@asylum.sanitarium.net>

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While I have not used it for what he is talking about here Squid is THE
proxy server.  It can do any kind of web proxying and it does it well.

I always add this to it for ad filtering:
http://adzapper.sourceforge.net/

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On Sun, 4 May 2008, Graham Christensen wrote:

> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 21:42:01 -0400
> From: Graham Christensen <graham.christensen at iamgraham.net>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
> 
> Dave,
>    I've used Squid pretty extensively and it is a very solid piece of
> software capable of doing exactly what you're looking for. I've setup
> very complicated rules with it, regarding multiple web servers on one
> box, to boxes spread across the world.
>
> Graham Christensen
>
> http://itrebal.com - Customized Web Hosting
> Graham.Christensen at iamgraham.net
>
>
>
> Dave Hudson wrote:
>> Before everyone slams me for incorrect terminology, I'm obviously talking
>> about reverse proxy capability here :-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Hudson [mailto:cfg at davehudson.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:58 PM
>> To: 'Central Florida Geeks'
>> Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
>>
>> Hello everyone -
>>
>> I have been running my home servers for the past 5 years and just using my
>> router and port forwarding to manage all my web servers and services.
>>
>> In short, I'm starting to run into problems where outside connections
>> (school, wife's work, etc) are blocking pretty much everything except port
>> 80 http.
>>
>> So what I'm looking to do is go ahead and setup a proxy server that can
>> manage all my incoming http 80 traffic (and 443 also of course) and route it
>> to the appropriate servers.
>>
>> I was doing some reading and it looks like I could likely accomplish this
>> with Apache running on one of my Linux boxes, but this seems like a
>> difficult to manage and kludgy kinda way to do it.
>>
>> Can you guys recommend an easy to setup and manage proxy server that runs on
>> Linux?  Again, I need it for the very simple purpose of rerouting http
>> traffic to the appropriate server (ie  my.external.ip/website1 ->
>> 192.168.1.141, my.external.ip/website2 -> 192.168.1.142, etc).
>>
>> Would be even better if you could point me to a VMWare virtual appliance
>> that is ready to roll (I'm already looking at them, but not sure which proxy
>> to use - or if there is some software better than a proxy to use for this
>> simple need).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
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From cfg at davehudson.net  Sun May  4 22:00:09 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:00:09 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
In-Reply-To: <481E65E9.9040305@iamgraham.net>
References: <004f01c8ae3a$468274b0$d3875e10$@net>	<005001c8ae3b$33528a50$99f79ef0$@net>
	<481E65E9.9040305@iamgraham.net>
Message-ID: <006001c8ae53$bfef51b0$3fcdf510$@net>

I just dloaded a virtual appliance with squid - unfortunately, it looks like
config is strictly through the squid.conf so I've got a bit of a learning
curve here.   I did find a squid guide on how to setup reverse proxy.   I'm
almost thinking its easier to just use my existing Apache server.

-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Christensen [mailto:graham.christensen at iamgraham.net] 
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:42 PM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server

Dave,
    I've used Squid pretty extensively and it is a very solid piece of 
software capable of doing exactly what you're looking for. I've setup 
very complicated rules with it, regarding multiple web servers on one 
box, to boxes spread across the world.

Graham Christensen

http://itrebal.com - Customized Web Hosting
Graham.Christensen at iamgraham.net



Dave Hudson wrote:
> Before everyone slams me for incorrect terminology, I'm obviously talking
> about reverse proxy capability here :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Hudson [mailto:cfg at davehudson.net] 
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:58 PM
> To: 'Central Florida Geeks'
> Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
>
> Hello everyone -
>
> I have been running my home servers for the past 5 years and just using my
> router and port forwarding to manage all my web servers and services.
>
> In short, I'm starting to run into problems where outside connections
> (school, wife's work, etc) are blocking pretty much everything except port
> 80 http.  
>
> So what I'm looking to do is go ahead and setup a proxy server that can
> manage all my incoming http 80 traffic (and 443 also of course) and route
it
> to the appropriate servers.
>
> I was doing some reading and it looks like I could likely accomplish this
> with Apache running on one of my Linux boxes, but this seems like a
> difficult to manage and kludgy kinda way to do it.
>
> Can you guys recommend an easy to setup and manage proxy server that runs
on
> Linux?  Again, I need it for the very simple purpose of rerouting http
> traffic to the appropriate server (ie  my.external.ip/website1 ->
> 192.168.1.141, my.external.ip/website2 -> 192.168.1.142, etc).
>
> Would be even better if you could point me to a VMWare virtual appliance
> that is ready to roll (I'm already looking at them, but not sure which
proxy
> to use - or if there is some software better than a proxy to use for this
> simple need).
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> cfgeeks mailing list
> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>
>   
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From kmk at sanitarium.net  Sun May  4 22:04:39 2008
From: kmk at sanitarium.net (Kevin Korb)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:04:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
In-Reply-To: <006001c8ae53$bfef51b0$3fcdf510$@net>
References: <004f01c8ae3a$468274b0$d3875e10$@net>
	<005001c8ae3b$33528a50$99f79ef0$@net>
	<481E65E9.9040305@iamgraham.net> <006001c8ae53$bfef51b0$3fcdf510$@net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805042203570.23375@asylum.sanitarium.net>

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I don't know why you would want the overhead of vmware for a proxy
server.  Just install squid on whatever distro you are using.  The
default config file has tons of comments in it and is very well
documented.

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On Sun, 4 May 2008, Dave Hudson wrote:

> Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:00:09 -0400
> From: Dave Hudson <cfg at davehudson.net>
> To: 'Central Florida Geeks' <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
> 
> I just dloaded a virtual appliance with squid - unfortunately, it looks like
> config is strictly through the squid.conf so I've got a bit of a learning
> curve here.   I did find a squid guide on how to setup reverse proxy.   I'm
> almost thinking its easier to just use my existing Apache server.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graham Christensen [mailto:graham.christensen at iamgraham.net]
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:42 PM
> To: Central Florida Geeks
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
>
> Dave,
>    I've used Squid pretty extensively and it is a very solid piece of
> software capable of doing exactly what you're looking for. I've setup
> very complicated rules with it, regarding multiple web servers on one
> box, to boxes spread across the world.
>
> Graham Christensen
>
> http://itrebal.com - Customized Web Hosting
> Graham.Christensen at iamgraham.net
>
>
>
> Dave Hudson wrote:
>> Before everyone slams me for incorrect terminology, I'm obviously talking
>> about reverse proxy capability here :-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Hudson [mailto:cfg at davehudson.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:58 PM
>> To: 'Central Florida Geeks'
>> Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
>>
>> Hello everyone -
>>
>> I have been running my home servers for the past 5 years and just using my
>> router and port forwarding to manage all my web servers and services.
>>
>> In short, I'm starting to run into problems where outside connections
>> (school, wife's work, etc) are blocking pretty much everything except port
>> 80 http.
>>
>> So what I'm looking to do is go ahead and setup a proxy server that can
>> manage all my incoming http 80 traffic (and 443 also of course) and route
> it
>> to the appropriate servers.
>>
>> I was doing some reading and it looks like I could likely accomplish this
>> with Apache running on one of my Linux boxes, but this seems like a
>> difficult to manage and kludgy kinda way to do it.
>>
>> Can you guys recommend an easy to setup and manage proxy server that runs
> on
>> Linux?  Again, I need it for the very simple purpose of rerouting http
>> traffic to the appropriate server (ie  my.external.ip/website1 ->
>> 192.168.1.141, my.external.ip/website2 -> 192.168.1.142, etc).
>>
>> Would be even better if you could point me to a VMWare virtual appliance
>> that is ready to roll (I'm already looking at them, but not sure which
> proxy
>> to use - or if there is some software better than a proxy to use for this
>> simple need).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>
>>
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>>
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From cfg at davehudson.net  Sun May  4 22:10:45 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:10:45 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805042142460.22755@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <004f01c8ae3a$468274b0$d3875e10$@net>	<005001c8ae3b$33528a50$99f79ef0$@net>	<481E65E9.9040305@iamgraham.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805042142460.22755@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <006101c8ae55$3ae8d610$b0ba8230$@net>

I'm thinking I may need to restate my need here... I think reverse proxy is
what I'm looking for, but maybe there is another way to accomplish this....
in short, what I'm looking for is this:

1)  Outside user types:  74.16.285.30/linuxsite  and it hits my "proxy" at
74.16.285.30 and gets routed/forwarded" to 192.168.1.40 (my linux webserver)

2)  Outside user types:  74.16.285.30/windowssite  and it hits my "proxy" at
74.16.285.30 and gets routed/"forwarded" to 192.168.1.50 (my windows
webserver)

So is a reverse proxy the best thing to handle the above?

In terms of loading it in a VM, I like to do that first to "vet it out" and
get it working - that way I don't hose up my prod machine trying to figure
it out...

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Korb [mailto:kmk at sanitarium.net] 
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:44 PM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server

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While I have not used it for what he is talking about here Squid is THE
proxy server.  It can do any kind of web proxying and it does it well.

I always add this to it for ad filtering:
http://adzapper.sourceforge.net/

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 	Kevin Korb			Phone:    (407) 252-6853
 	Systems Administrator		Internet:
 	FutureQuest, Inc.		Kevin at FutureQuest.net  (work)
 	Orlando, Florida		kmk at sanitarium.net (personal)
 	Web page:			http://www.sanitarium.net/
 	PGP public key available on web site.
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On Sun, 4 May 2008, Graham Christensen wrote:

> Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 21:42:01 -0400
> From: Graham Christensen <graham.christensen at iamgraham.net>
> To: Central Florida Geeks <cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
> 
> Dave,
>    I've used Squid pretty extensively and it is a very solid piece of
> software capable of doing exactly what you're looking for. I've setup
> very complicated rules with it, regarding multiple web servers on one
> box, to boxes spread across the world.
>
> Graham Christensen
>
> http://itrebal.com - Customized Web Hosting
> Graham.Christensen at iamgraham.net
>
>
>
> Dave Hudson wrote:
>> Before everyone slams me for incorrect terminology, I'm obviously talking
>> about reverse proxy capability here :-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Hudson [mailto:cfg at davehudson.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:58 PM
>> To: 'Central Florida Geeks'
>> Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
>>
>> Hello everyone -
>>
>> I have been running my home servers for the past 5 years and just using
my
>> router and port forwarding to manage all my web servers and services.
>>
>> In short, I'm starting to run into problems where outside connections
>> (school, wife's work, etc) are blocking pretty much everything except
port
>> 80 http.
>>
>> So what I'm looking to do is go ahead and setup a proxy server that can
>> manage all my incoming http 80 traffic (and 443 also of course) and route
it
>> to the appropriate servers.
>>
>> I was doing some reading and it looks like I could likely accomplish this
>> with Apache running on one of my Linux boxes, but this seems like a
>> difficult to manage and kludgy kinda way to do it.
>>
>> Can you guys recommend an easy to setup and manage proxy server that runs
on
>> Linux?  Again, I need it for the very simple purpose of rerouting http
>> traffic to the appropriate server (ie  my.external.ip/website1 ->
>> 192.168.1.141, my.external.ip/website2 -> 192.168.1.142, etc).
>>
>> Would be even better if you could point me to a VMWare virtual appliance
>> that is ready to roll (I'm already looking at them, but not sure which
proxy
>> to use - or if there is some software better than a proxy to use for this
>> simple need).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> cfgeeks mailing list
>> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
>> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
>>
>>
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> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
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From john at mayson.us  Sun May  4 22:16:06 2008
From: john at mayson.us (John Mayson)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:16:06 -0500
Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805042203570.23375@asylum.sanitarium.net>
References: <004f01c8ae3a$468274b0$d3875e10$@net>
	<005001c8ae3b$33528a50$99f79ef0$@net> <481E65E9.9040305@iamgraham.net>
	<006001c8ae53$bfef51b0$3fcdf510$@net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805042203570.23375@asylum.sanitarium.net>
Message-ID: <6645152a0805041916l3125b72aya578c301fb53f7a8@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Kevin Korb <kmk at sanitarium.net> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>  Hash: SHA1
>
>  I don't know why you would want the overhead of vmware for a proxy
>  server.  Just install squid on whatever distro you are using.  The
>  default config file has tons of comments in it and is very well
>  documented.

Translation: It has 2,574 different options and if any single option
is wrong it won't work at all so unless you're a KMK or KPI, forget
about it.  :-)

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA

From cfg at davehudson.net  Sun May  4 22:40:03 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 22:40:03 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
In-Reply-To: <6645152a0805041916l3125b72aya578c301fb53f7a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004f01c8ae3a$468274b0$d3875e10$@net>	<005001c8ae3b$33528a50$99f79ef0$@net>
	<481E65E9.9040305@iamgraham.net>	<006001c8ae53$bfef51b0$3fcdf510$@net>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805042203570.23375@asylum.sanitarium.net>
	<6645152a0805041916l3125b72aya578c301fb53f7a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006201c8ae59$529f19a0$f7dd4ce0$@net>

I just tried Apache, using ProxyPass and ProxyReversePass.  Getting mixed
results.  Is "working", but getting  "object not found" errors on my web
pages (.net).

Going to see if I can get this worked out.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Mayson [mailto:john at mayson.us] 
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:16 PM
To: Central Florida Geeks
Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Kevin Korb <kmk at sanitarium.net> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>  Hash: SHA1
>
>  I don't know why you would want the overhead of vmware for a proxy
>  server.  Just install squid on whatever distro you are using.  The
>  default config file has tons of comments in it and is very well
>  documented.

Translation: It has 2,574 different options and if any single option
is wrong it won't work at all so unless you're a KMK or KPI, forget
about it.  :-)

-- 
John Mayson <john at mayson.us>
Austin, Texas, USA
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From cfg at davehudson.net  Sun May  4 23:46:11 2008
From: cfg at davehudson.net (Dave Hudson)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:46:11 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Reverse Proxy - "javascript object not found"
Message-ID: <006301c8ae62$900bce60$b0236b20$@net>

I have the reverse proxy working, but unfortunately, I am having problems
with Javascript on the pages not working properly.... you guys run into that
before and know how to fix?  Google is coming up empty.



From apratts at comcast.net  Sun May  4 23:58:19 2008
From: apratts at comcast.net (Albert Pratts)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 23:58:19 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Iron Man beat up Jesus
In-Reply-To: <F769C687-2611-4379-9592-D09D1237D3F7@cfl.rr.com>
References: <F769C687-2611-4379-9592-D09D1237D3F7@cfl.rr.com>
Message-ID: <7E041A5F-2FB8-43E3-A5B3-5428D3D0804E@comcast.net>

I did that too... plus put him in jail...

Albert Pratts
Mount Plymouth, Florida, USA



On May 4, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Gilbert Young wrote:

> http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/wkd-prediction-iron-man-a-strongman/
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Mon May  5 06:41:08 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 06:41:08 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] [Fwd: UNIX System Administrator - 1 yr. Contract,
	Tallahassee, FL]
Message-ID: <481EE444.50902@inscoe.org>

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- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: UNIX System Administrator - 1 yr. Contract, Tallahassee, FL
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 20:00:11 -0400
From: Ingrid Kirchmaier <ingridk at consultis.com>
To: Kevin Inscoe <kevin at inscoe.org>

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From kevin at inscoe.org  Mon May  5 07:38:40 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 07:38:40 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
In-Reply-To: <006001c8ae53$bfef51b0$3fcdf510$@net>
References: <004f01c8ae3a$468274b0$d3875e10$@net>	<005001c8ae3b$33528a50$99f79ef0$@net>	<481E65E9.9040305@iamgraham.net>
	<006001c8ae53$bfef51b0$3fcdf510$@net>
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Folks he said "reverse" proxy and I still think Apache is best at that
job. A reverse proxy stands between inside web or application servers
and accepts outside incoming requests and replays to inside servers. Is
that what you mean Dave? By your initial description it sound like you
just wanted a forward proxy server meaning inside going outside. In that
case I recommend Squid. If you want something super simple that routes
*everything* through port 80 you may need to use SOCKS mode.

Dave Hudson wrote:
| I just dloaded a virtual appliance with squid - unfortunately, it
looks like
| config is strictly through the squid.conf so I've got a bit of a learning
| curve here.   I did find a squid guide on how to setup reverse proxy.
   I'm
| almost thinking its easier to just use my existing Apache server.
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: Graham Christensen [mailto:graham.christensen at iamgraham.net]
| Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:42 PM
| To: Central Florida Geeks
| Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
|
| Dave,
|     I've used Squid pretty extensively and it is a very solid piece of
| software capable of doing exactly what you're looking for. I've setup
| very complicated rules with it, regarding multiple web servers on one
| box, to boxes spread across the world.
|
| Graham Christensen
|
| http://itrebal.com - Customized Web Hosting
| Graham.Christensen at iamgraham.net
|
|
|
| Dave Hudson wrote:
|> Before everyone slams me for incorrect terminology, I'm obviously talking
|> about reverse proxy capability here :-)
|>
|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: Dave Hudson [mailto:cfg at davehudson.net]
|> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:58 PM
|> To: 'Central Florida Geeks'
|> Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
|>
|> Hello everyone -
|>
|> I have been running my home servers for the past 5 years and just
using my
|> router and port forwarding to manage all my web servers and services.
|>
|> In short, I'm starting to run into problems where outside connections
|> (school, wife's work, etc) are blocking pretty much everything except
port
|> 80 http.
|>
|> So what I'm looking to do is go ahead and setup a proxy server that can
|> manage all my incoming http 80 traffic (and 443 also of course) and route
| it
|> to the appropriate servers.
|>
|> I was doing some reading and it looks like I could likely accomplish this
|> with Apache running on one of my Linux boxes, but this seems like a
|> difficult to manage and kludgy kinda way to do it.
|>
|> Can you guys recommend an easy to setup and manage proxy server that runs
| on
|> Linux?  Again, I need it for the very simple purpose of rerouting http
|> traffic to the appropriate server (ie  my.external.ip/website1 ->
|> 192.168.1.141, my.external.ip/website2 -> 192.168.1.142, etc).
|>
|> Would be even better if you could point me to a VMWare virtual appliance
|> that is ready to roll (I'm already looking at them, but not sure which
| proxy
|> to use - or if there is some software better than a proxy to use for this
|> simple need).
|>
|> Thanks,
|> Dave
|>
|>
|> _______________________________________________
|> cfgeeks mailing list
|> cfgeeks at mail.cfgeeks.org
|> http://mail.cfgeeks.org/mailman/listinfo/cfgeeks
|>
|>
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|>
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Mon May  5 07:40:25 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 07:40:25 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
In-Reply-To: <006101c8ae55$3ae8d610$b0ba8230$@net>
References: <004f01c8ae3a$468274b0$d3875e10$@net>	<005001c8ae3b$33528a50$99f79ef0$@net>	<481E65E9.9040305@iamgraham.net>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0805042142460.22755@asylum.sanitarium.net>
	<006101c8ae55$3ae8d610$b0ba8230$@net>
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Dave Hudson wrote:
| I'm thinking I may need to restate my need here... I think reverse
proxy is
| what I'm looking for, but maybe there is another way to accomplish
this....
| in short, what I'm looking for is this:
|
| 1)  Outside user types:  74.16.285.30/linuxsite  and it hits my "proxy" at
| 74.16.285.30 and gets routed/forwarded" to 192.168.1.40 (my linux
webserver)
|
| 2)  Outside user types:  74.16.285.30/windowssite  and it hits my
"proxy" at
| 74.16.285.30 and gets routed/"forwarded" to 192.168.1.50 (my windows
| webserver)

Ok that is the classic Apache proxy model. Use Apache with host headers
and redirection.

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Deltona, FL 32738                                28.9497N by 81.1952W
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From kevin at inscoe.org  Mon May  5 07:41:57 2008
From: kevin at inscoe.org (Kevin P. Inscoe)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 07:41:57 -0400
Subject: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
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What does your error log say?

Dave Hudson wrote:
| I just tried Apache, using ProxyPass and ProxyReversePass.  Getting mixed
| results.  Is "working", but getting  "object not found" errors on my web
| pages (.net).
|
| Going to see if I can get this worked out.
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: John Mayson [mailto:john at mayson.us]
| Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:16 PM
| To: Central Florida Geeks
| Subject: Re: [cfgeeks] Need Recommendation for Linux Proxy Server
|
| On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Kevin Korb <kmk at sanitarium.net> wrote:
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|>  I don't know why you would want the overhead of vmware for a proxy
|>  server.  Just install squid on whatever distro you are using.  The
|>  default config file has tons of comments in it and is very well
|>  documented.
|
| Translation: It has 2,574 different options and if any single option
| is wrong it won't work at all so unless you're a KMK or KPI, forget
| about it.  :-)
|


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Kevin P. Inscoe                       Amateur Radio Call Sign: KE3VIN
Deltona, FL 32738